Everything You Know About Star Wars Is Wrong...

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by FatMan


Oh, I saw that - it's also BS! Let's argue about whether Hitler was good or evil based on 5 newsreals taken from 5 different points in history. He took power in Germany pretty much the same way Palpatine is shown taking power in SW.

I read what the guy said, he's just making an argument for the sake of making it and choosing to ignore what is obvious. His explicit denial of what is in the novels only makes that clearer.

The article is drivel!

FatMan

but lucas sold all rights to anything that happens after jedi. so anything after jedi can not be considered part of lucas' story (I've read most of them and love em), since he doesn't control what happens.

[Havoc_online]

I've read most of them and love em

hey wyn1370, two words, Sun Crusher, lol

[wyn1370]

Kyp's little punk butt should have got smoked. Now he's turned into a serious P.I.T.A. If they only had the armor from that thing to use against the vong.

[FatMan]

Originally posted by wyn1370

but lucas sold all rights to anything that happens after jedi. so anything after jedi can not be considered part of lucas' story (I've read most of them and love em), since he doesn't control what happens.

Says who? Lucas still approves the major story line - he still owns the rights to it all. Just because he doesn't think up all the details of the story - who could be expected to do that?

The point is the author of the article decides to look at things as if the films tell all - when they are clearly snapshots of a larger epic. There is no reason to believe the empire crumbles when Palpatine dies - though it is certainly reasonable to assume their ability to maintain an iron grip on the galaxy dies. There is no reason to assume the Rebel Alliance does not form a new galactic government that maintains the peace and order in the galaxy - and in fact the novels show EXACTLY THAT, which is why they are relevant to the discussion and the referenced article is so much fluff.

To arbitrarily decide to limit yourself to ONLY information in the films and THEN go off on wild assumptions about what could happen next and from that draw conclusions is rediculous!

FatMan

[Hexis]

He's wrong about one thing. The Books and other parts of the extended universe are cannon. The only book that isn't is "Splinter of the Mind's Eye", tho there have been referances to that in other books, so you could concider that almost cannon.

He uses statements made in the movies to manipulate Amidala as proof of the empire's good intentions.

He completly ignores the Empire's human only stance. Kinda of like galatic racism. Xenoism maybe? They use their weapons of mass destruction to enforce their will. Sound Thrid Reichish anyone?

[wyn1370]

if the expanded universe is so canon, who is boba fett?
the expanded universe is more of a what if type of thing. As we have seen lucas can and will at anytime contradict it. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against it, but I think there is a seperation between Lucas's saga and the expanded universe.

[Hexis]

At least in the last few years, Lucas has approved and coordinated the expanded universe. Book, video games, comics, RPGs, any anything else go through a check at pretty much every stage of their production to keep things in line with the universe as a whole. That would make them canon.

I would argue that the "expanded universe" is Lucas' saga. The moveis are core to it, but it's very limited without at least the books. That's part of what makes Star Wars so fun, the rich nature of it. You feel as if the stork is only part of a much larger picture. Even taking all fo the expanded universe into view, it's still just part of a longer, larger story.

How does Boba not fit in with the expanded universe?

[FatMan]

Originally posted by wyn1370
if the expanded universe is so canon, who is boba fett?
the expanded universe is more of a what if type of thing. As we have seen lucas can and will at anytime contradict it. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against it, but I think there is a seperation between Lucas's saga and the expanded universe.

I'm not sure what the Boba Fett thing has to do with it.

Actually, they go to great lengths to keep the films and books and graphic novels consistent. Most of the apparent contradictions are just that - apparent. One could say that any of it is a "what if" kind of thing - I mean, its a story - its all "what if" but the story has a consistent time line with events that are consistent throughout. They don't go off on one line and then come back and do something completely different. There IS one big story - Lucas does not think up ALL of that story, but the writers that DO work together with Lucas's people to keep in consistent. That is a big part of what makes it interesting.

FatMan

[wyn1370]

In Andy Mangles' Essential Guide to Characters, Boba Fett's real name is listed as Jaster Mereel. It is also in one of the novels, not sure which one.
Lucas says Boba Fett is dead, expanded universe says he's still alive. One of the tales books tells about his escape from the sarlacc.
The agreement to keep everything fitting together had nothing to do with lucas. Lucas doesn't care what happens in the expanded universe. If he did why did he let them kill Chewie? Lucas could at anytime do episodes 7-9 and make the EU obsolete.

[Hexis]

How did Lucas kill Boba in the movies? He definatly tossed Boba into the sarlac, but I don't remember RoTJ showing him dead.

From starwars.com/eu :
"If your experience with Star Wars has been just the movies, you're only getting a fraction of the entire tale. Since the start, the Star Wars saga has been expanded through novels, comics, and games."

To me that sounds like a pretty clear message. The EU is part of the story.

[wyn1370]

hmmmm, well how about
Responding to questions in a 1997 MTV promo for the Special Editions, George Lucas said: "I don't know why. [Laughs]. I'm mystified by it. He's a mysterious character. He's a provocative character. He seems like an all powerful character, except he gets killed. Although he's gotten killed, the people who right the books, and everything, and the comics say 'we cant kill him, we gotta bring him back, we can't let him die!'"
you can even see the
video of george saying it.

[FatMan]

Yep, I'd be willing to believe Lucas intended Boba Fett to be dead - but he did NOT make that definite - and later the book writers realized what a popular character he was and decided he did NOT die. But once that was decided and written about, it has not been contradicted.

As I said, Lucas does write ALL of the story lines - they story has evolved over time. What, you expect he FIRST decided EVERYTHING and THEN started making movies? He has even changed the names of major characters as he went along. Amadala was originally going to be some other name. So what? NOW that the die is cast, it stays as it is.

Specifically he prevented writers from speculating about things like Palpatine's rise to power and Vader's origins to allow himself the flexibility to write that history as he saw fit in Episodes I, II, and III. Once the main story lines are laid, then writers can fill in details that are left out, provided they are consistent.

But Lucas retains creative ownership of the Star Wars Universe and he can control where the stories do and do not go to whatever extent he wants. He DOES consider them part of the story.

So what does all of this have to do with the original question? You can base opinions on a lack of information, or the information available. We ARE talking about a fictional universe, so if you want to off and beleive whatever you want about it. But try to write a book about your altered view - and you will find you cannot legally publish it.

Whatever.

FatMan

[RT_Luver]

I couldn't understand half of that. to long and TOO MANY big words

[RT_Luver]

Originally posted by FatMan
Yep, I'd be willing to believe Lucas intended Boba Fett to be dead - but he did NOT make that definite - and later the book writers realized what a popular character he was and decided he did NOT die.

He has even changed the names of major characters as he went along. Amadala was originally going to be some other name.


FatMan

I found it very suprising when I read in a comic book some where that Boba fett didn't die.I believe Leia and Han were looking for some info on something and Boba fett pulls up behide them and Han says' but your dead, you fell in the scarcath pit(or something like that" and Boba Fett says soemthing like "I did but it found my armor some what "indijestable". on the thing of Amidala's original name, i dont think it makes any differece(I happen to like amidale better) but I've seen somewhere that it was going ot be Arcadia(sounds stupid to me)

[Timmee]

I think some would agree that the original article was written to stir up debate. Personally, I know the Empire is evil. What it boils down to is, the Empire has no qualms about massive destruction to keep the status quo. Mon Calamari and Wookies are another great example of the Empire's evil. The Empire enslaves these races, partially because they're non humans. It really came back to bite them in the rear when a former slave of Grand Moff Tarkin whooped up on the Imperial Navy in RoTJ (FYI, it was Admiral Ackbar that was Tarkin's slave).