Very Interesting

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I read your comments, but when they don't make sense why should I take them for the truth. You seem to think that terrorist are born terrorist. That is false. Something happens in their life time to cause them to result to what they do. You keep saying it is a deep hatred of the US, they want to kill everyone, but what makes them have that hatred? I never said that by only cutting of the enrollment you will end terrorism. It will help, it will do more then other ways, but it isn't the cure all. I even said I agree with some of the things Bush is doing, cutting off funding, freezing assets of terrorist groups. Making sure they can't fly around or so. All of that helps.

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

We have Israel who attacks Palestine every single time a terrorist action is taken against them. And what has that done, cause more terror.

I swore to myself that I'd stay out of this. But I can't. Gotta raise the flag on that comment. Go and look at confirmed terrorist actions against Israel before and immediately after attacks on palestine. You'll note that there's an extremely high correlation between the severity of Israel's response and a marked decrease in terrorist actions. Interestingly enough there was an article last year (I believe on MSNBC website, I'll have to try to dig it up) that stated that it would seem the surest way to halt palestinian terrorist actions against Israel was for Israel to decimate and occupy palestine on an unprecedented scale.

EDIT: Couldn't find the exact article (my apologies) but here's a similar one worth reading from Slate.com http://slate.msn.com/id/2065703

Edit2: Also note that Saddam gurantees payments to the families of suicide bombers.

[1stdeadeye]

Kill the leaders!

You want to stop terrorism. Kill the leaders, kill the fundraisers. Kill the money men. It's that darn simple. Kill the leader and another will rise in his place, yes, but almost always of a lessor caliber. Look at the mob here in America. We took out the leaders and eventually you get morons running the place. Morons run things into the ground. The mob isn't too strong anymore are they? The cartels in Columbia have fallen (yes the drug business is still there, but the powerful cartels are gone).
Kill the fundraisers. Without money, terrorists will be back to throwing stones. You can't plan and carry out major operations without money. You can't buy bombs, explosives, and bullets without money. Kill the men who manage the money and logistics. You can have an army of 1 million terrorists, but without weapons or bombs, they can't do too much. Maybe strangle and stab victims, but they will be unable to launch terror attacks on any kind of scale.

You want a free Iraq? Start sending them Coca-Cola and MTV. It is working in Iran. I believe the figure Nippin was throughing out is actually 60% of the Iranian population was born after 1981. They are the ones who elected Rafsanjani in their last election with over 85% of the popular vote. Sooner or later, the population will get fed up with the Theocracy overrulling their elected government and we will then have a very open, educated, pro-west, and free Iran. I think we can do the same in Iraq!

[Rebel46_99]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


HE shied away from questions dealing with what will happen after the war and basically used quilt measures against the public and scare measures. Last nights speech was scripted as he said, and he still couldn't answer the questions. He keep answered in every question the same way.

And no, I don't turn in papers like I type here.

NO one person knows what will happen after the war, O Great, Exalted and All Knowing CollegeOne. But, we can oversee and ensure that fair elections are held. And... WTF do you mean by "quilt measures"? And I assume you mean "scare tactics"?

Take a moment to read this and then let us know if you think Saddam is a threat or not...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1100529.stm

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I Last nights speech was scripted as he said,

If you had of watched it then you would know that that comment was in jest and reffered to the order in which each Journalist was called upon to ask questions and they all got a chuckle out of it...

[bofh]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Facts. No if the US goes in, nothing will be solved, a Pro US government will be established. It will be overthrown; a pro terrorist government will be put into power. And the citizens all likelihood will be worse off then they are now, and that is saying something.

My biggest peeve ever, is when somebody states "Facts" that are opinion.

[Collegeboy]

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

[nippinout]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

And what is the problem with Saddam providing money to suicide bombers families at this time, the US is providing money to Israel. (and no I am not saying that suicide bombings are ok, along the same lines that I don't think what Israel is doing is ok either)

Are you retarded?

Saddam doesn't send the money to the families as a way to appease the loss of a family member.

It is payment to the family. It is encouragement.

You are officially dumb.

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

Using the fire analogy. Israel's best weapon in combatting terrorism is to go into the fire breeding zone and stamp out every ember that appears. As opposed to continually moving out of the fire's way and feeding it as much fuel as it desires.

What is the problem with Saddam providing money to suicide bomber's families?? You truly can't be serious. Along that line of thought then you believe I'm wrong. After all, I bought my sister a firearm to help protect herself. I guess that makes me just as evil as a person who hires a hitman to kill someone. Follow the logical conclusion of your statements please.

Interesting you brought up killing leaders as opposed to bombing buildings and innocents. Are you aware that Israel's main counter to terrorism was assasinating radical leadership, as opposed to mass suicide bombings by terrorists? Cut off the head, another will grow in it's place, but it's usually dumber. Unfortunately, the international community frowns on leadership assasination.

Your example of leaders feeding propoganda to the masses is valid. However, eliminate the leaders and the mechanism of propaganda and the truth will be heard in the following generation. War is a viable option to eliminate them. It's not nice and it's not pretty. But in real life occasionaly you have to do things that aren't nice or pretty.

EDIT: From your profile you're 21, a house and a student. I commend you for standing up for you beliefs, at least you have a backbone. However, it might be a good idea to form your own opinions as opposed to regurgitating those of others. If these are truly your thought out opinions, I encourage you to read and fyi, data is usually a better basis for a postion then simple opinion.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
And what is the problem with Saddam providing money to suicide bombers families at this time, the US is providing money to Israel. (and no I am not saying that suicide bombings are ok, along the same lines that I don't think what Israel is doing is ok either)

This makes me sick.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
That is fine if you make sure you kill the leaders, I have no problem with that. But make sure you don't drop a bomb on his building complex. One bullet is fine. But NEVER forget the power of 100,000 people.

Originally posted by Collegeboy
As has been pointed out before, the president gets full knowledge of the area of the questions the reporters ask. He might not know the exact question. But he knows the general idea of it. That is how he chooses who gets to ask, and when they ask. The president answered every question the same way basically. 911 this, terror that, I was waiting for the Hitler reference but it never came up.

Originally posted by Collegeboy

And the other ways you have mentioned HAVE NOT WORKED. LOL The BEST thing to solve that problem is if he obeys the UN Resolutions. But then again, you are fond of blaming everyone BUT him, everyone BUT the terrorists, everyone BUT the ones CAUSING the problems. I bet that if you crapped your pants you would blame the toilet companies for not building a toilet on your rear.

[Collegeboy]

[shartley]

[ShooterJM]

Please. Exception vs standard targeting.

Illegal?

Please enlighten me on who was the internationally recognized soverign ruling nation of the Samaria - Judea - Gaza region prior to 1967? Geez, even the International Court of Justice wrote "Where the prior holder of territory had seized that territory unlawfully, the state which subsequently takes that territory in the lawful exercise of self-defense has against that prior holder better title."

Maybe you were refering to historical claim then.... What about the 1922 decision of the League of Nations, did you read that?

[Smoke]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
These are my researched opinions. Not just opinions.

But opinions nontheless.