The Official Iraq War Thread...

[cphilip]

We lost a Blackhawk today shot down 7 die and 4 injured were rescued and all bodies recovered. Karbala area.

Intelligence reports that Iraq has decided not to use Chemical weapons for fear of international condemnation after the war. So they have reportedly decided not to use it at least in the next few weeks till they see what happens. Again just intelligence stuff.

We captured 2 - Al Samood 2 missles today. Those are banned under UN resolution 1441. Those are supposed to not be there.

[pbzmag]

WOW! Where did they find them? Also the use of sat phones is severely restricted. More info here.

[cphilip]

On a Farm outside of Bagdad was what I think I saw. Not seen it run again yet to be sure of exactly where in Iraq it was.

Even AL Jezeera is pulling out of Bagdad because two of its reporters where barred by Iraqis officials to report the war from Bagdad. So they have stopped all reporting.

[HoppysMag]

on MSNBC theres video of a soldier leading a bunch of lil kids in a dance... its HALIROUS if some one sees it you know what im talkin about

[aaron_mag]

Looks like we lost an F-18

Fate of the pilot is not known yet. Hopefully they can rescue him. Wasn't one rescued in the last gulf war?

[steveg]

Our goal is not to make Iraq a democracy, we're trying to liberate it so that the Iraqi people may install thier own government, who knows? Maybe they'll choose parliment, it works for England, and Canada.

WARPED could you expand a bit on what you mean by parliment as opposed to democracy (or at least that's how I
read it)

[FatMan]

Originally posted by cphilip
Reminder...stay on subject and review the early guidlines. We all got off track here lately. This one was to only discuss what was happening not why or if. We had that thread and locked it up after much time to get that all out of our system. So now we are just reporting and talking about what is reported and found and happening over there.

Oh, so NOW we are allowed to set limits on what is talked about in a thread. It's no longer an open discussion. Sorry, I've been away so long I didn't know the rules had changed. My bad!

FatMan

[cphilip]

The rules never changed. You just failed to bother to read them I guess.

And if you missed the first threads... It was an open discussion about the causes and politics of the war. And it was against the rules but I allowed it as there were so many people starting threads and We kept having to close them so I felt it was helpfull to allow one debate for a period to get it out of everyones system. But it was agreed once the war actually started we would limit that to discussion about what was going on only and quit the fighting over why here on AO. So we did. However it started back up as you can see and now I am trying to get us all back to that agreement so I do not have to close the thread.

And I remind you that the actual forums rules prohibit the entire discussion anyway. So we relaxed them as long as everyone stays civil (well as close to civil as can be on such an emotional subject) and stayed within the one thread. And with that warning that it can close at any time. Or be heavily edited if need be. Same warning is placed on this thread.

There are plenty of other political debate sites one can visit and since our mission is not that we do not allow that here. We are a paintball site. But whenever we allow a discussion outside the operating rules we always place restrictions on them as we know we are in dangerous territory already. Thats why there were already rules AGAINST EM!

You got some catching up to do!

[shartley]

Originally posted by cphilip
The rules never changed. You just failed to bother to read them I guess.

And if you missed the first threads... It was an open discussion about the causes and politics of the war. And it was against the rules but I allowed it as there were so many people starting threads and We kept having to close them so I felt it was helpfull to allow one debate for a period to get it out of everyones system. But it was agreed once the war actually started we would limit that to discussion about what was going on only and quit the fighting over why here on AO. So we did. However it started back up as you can see and now I am trying to get us all back to that agreement so I do not have to close the thread.

And I remind you that the actual forums rules prohibit the entire discussion anyway. So we relaxed them as long as everyone stays civil (well as close to civil as can be on such an emotional subject) and stayed within the one thread. And with that warning that it can close at any time. Or be heavily edited if need be. Same warning is placed on this thread.

There are plenty of other political debate sites one can visit and since our mission is not that we do not allow that here. We are a paintball site. But whenever we allow a discussion outside the operating rules we always place restrictions on them as we know we are in dangerous territory already. Thats why there were already rules AGAINST EM!

You got some catching up to do!

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by steveg


WARPED could you expand a bit on what you mean by parliment as opposed to democracy (or at least that's how I
read it)

A parliment, like used in England and Canada. I don't really know how they work, but historically they seem to work well.

[cphilip]

Now here is an interesting War thread on use of Animals in combat. Note that Animal rights activists oppose it!

Here

[Army]

I did my best to stay out of this thread, really I did. But I have to respond to CollegeBoy's assertion that the US was only in Vietnam to force democracy on the Vietnamese peoples...WRONG. We were there only to stop the spread of rampant Communism.

Vietnam was a UN sanctioned military action. Nearly every Liberal I know or read, will never mention, or do not know about, the 24 other countries that either supported or served in that combat theater (even good brave Canadians volunteered to serve with US troops, and were subsequently blacklisted and forgotten when they got home, but are still proud of what they did) with the FULL cooperation of the UN Security Council. That being said, most of how we conducted our actions there was already dictated by the UN. We had to work around those guidelines which hamstrung all our efforts, resulting in the less than favorable result. However, our actions stopped Communist plans for a SEA area of communist regimes, proof of this was found in the former KGB headquarters after the recent Russian revolution.

Action against Iraq is supported by at least 49 countries politically, materially, and with combat personel and equipment. We know the UN doesn't support this regardless of the guidelines of UNR1441, which is why the coalition has established their OWN rules to prosecute this war. Because WE are setting the rules, WE have pushed all the way to Baghdad with minimal resistance, and great success in the fastest/farthest military land movement in the history of warfare. No doubt, if the UN was calling the shots, we would still be in Kuwait as the eunich-like UN pleaded for Saddam to play nicey nice.

Don't like Fox News huh? Let me tell you about Fox news: Geraldo, as we all know, was a dyed in the wool life long hardcore Liberal. His assignment to Afghanistan has turned his thinking around 180deg. He used to be 100% anti-gun, but now carries a 1911 or a M92 for his personal protection, and has stated that he now knows that some people will want to kill him regardless of his personal or political beliefs. He used to be anti-military. He has stated before that he always believed they were not needed, and that their training simply made them "baby killers". He doesn't say that any more. He can't praise them enough. Fox news has also brought aboard Linda Van-Sustren a year ago, and in nobody's mind could she be called conservative. Hmm, seems to get a little more balanced as we go along. Hannity and Colmes is an anchor of the evening program, tell me that Alan Colmes is anything but a bleeding heart Liberal. Hmm, seems to be fairly balanced now. Compare all this to CNN/MSNBC who hired Peter Arnett...need I say more about a man who assured the Iraqi people that we are failing in our mission? Does aiding and abetting come to mind? NBC who faked a truck crash with explosives to enhace/create a gas tank rupture and fire just to boost their ratings? Peter Jennings who loves to talk down to Americans...being Canadian, I guess he gets to, in his way of thinking. Dan Rather, who hates everybody/anything conservative? Or do you prefer NPR/public TV? where you can get only the news and information they think you may need.

This war is just, if only to free the Iraqi people to live lives as THEY see fit, not by the decree of a murderous eglomaniac. To compare this action to WWII is fully acceptable, Hitler and Saddam have both gone down identical paths in history. The world removed Hitler and his murderous eglomaniacal regime, and we will do the same in Iraq. It is not a secret that Iraq sponsors state terrorism. Al Qaeda is not the only terrorist group out there, just the most forward in out minds due to 9/11/01. We have stopped them already, and will soon eradicate them entirely. Even Iran has seen the light, and is asking how they can be part of the world again. We used to have an AO member here that is Iranian, he related to us first hand that the Iranian people do NOT like their current religeous regime, and would welcome back the US and the west.

That you say that you do not watch or listen to both sides of the argument, says volumes about your mindset Collegeboy. You must have realized by now, that you cannot argue your position without all the facts, ALL the facts from both sides of the street. Just saying you are right...just because... only brings on the dogs of reason.


OK, that's all I will post on this thread. Dave

[cphilip]

Oh no....



Ok, we give you that one shot Dave as you never realy got much of a turn on that last thread...




Ok back to the issues...

Did you know that Canada WAS assisting with the Iraq conflict? I bet you might have missed this one!

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[shartley]

Originally posted by cphilip
Did you know that Canada WAS assisting with the Iraq conflict? I bet you might have missed this one!

Hey!!!!!! How did WAS get involved in all this?!?!?

[kevdupuis]

There are also members of the Canadian Armed Forces attached to U.S. forces as part of an exchange program, in Kuwait. They were in the program before the start of the war and our government decided to leave them attached their units and under U.S. military control.
This plus our increased presence in Afghanistan and the gulf should help some to understand that generally we aren't against this. But we honour our U.N. obligations, plus our military is mainly trained for peacekeeping and defense rolls.
With reported finds in banned materials and Baghdads recent statements on not using the chemical weapons that they said they didn't have, should tell the rest of the U.N. to get their butts in gear.
And lastly, my little brother's ship has been patroling in the area for almost a year now, and I support our efforts fully.