From America...

[MantisMag]

you have a right to protest only as long as your right doesn't interfere with somebody elses rights. such as their right to travel along a public thoroufare without being accosted. mango will protect our right to be free of other people's ideals above their rights to push them. i'm sure he'll ask them once quite nicely to move along. maybe even ask them twice. but if they don't then it's they're own fault that a certain amount of force is used to remove them.

p.s. nice story army.

[breg]

A lot of these protesters remind me of that kid in school who would raise all kinds of hell, and then get mad when they get in trouble.
I can't remember which one of our founding fathers said it, but the quote went some thing like this
"It is our duty to break any unjust law, but it is also our duty to accept the punishment when we break it."
The thing is that there no unjust laws to break in this case. Also, like it has been said in this thread before, the abitlity to protest is lawful only when it does not interfere with anyone else's rights. Then I believe it becomes Unlawful Assembly.
I really have to wonder if these ingrates know if they were to pull these protests in... I don't know, say Pre-U.S. Intervention Iraq, they would be killed, at least. You have to really wonder, if they know this, and if they would say that America is so evil then?

I wonder...
Breg.

[bornl33t]

I'm surprised I haven't seen a HOOORAH yet?

[Potatoboy]

*Ahem*

http://www.snopes.com/glurge/savidge.php

[Jack_Dubious]

Originally posted by Army
Too late, he IS a Cop, and hooray for more like him too.

"...I can't wait to hose them all down with OC and smack them with my baton when they resist!"

If you bothered to read his post (but we already know you don't read/see/hear/watch what you perceive as not in total agreement with yourself), you will see that he said WHEN THEY RESIST. To resist an officer of the law, is violating the Constitutional caveat of PEACEABLE assembly.

You don't have a RIGHT to protest, you have the PRIVILEDGE to protest, but only within those guidelines that keep order within society. Step out of bounds, violate somebody elses RIGHT to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and our brave men who deal with criminal activity must, and will, step in to restore that order.

Amendment I

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "

Sorry Army, according to the Constitution, peaceable protest is a *RIGHT* not a priviledge.
I agree if someone breaks the law they should be arrested. But SprayingMangos statement was "protesting is un-American", does that mean all protesting or just unlawful protesting? If he just meant unlawful protesting why did he have to preface it with "call me closed minded..." The resist remark was cause he wants a reason to baton and OC people. So until he says differently I will assume he believes all protesting is "un-American".

JDub

[Mango]

I am fully aware of our right to protest. And thank you Army!

ATTENTION TO DETAIL PEOPLE: As Army has so kindly pointed out, I said "when they resist!"

I will not reiterate what Army said, but he clarified it perfectly. Perhaps I should have said "when they fight with, throw bricks at, throw moltov coctails at, hit with sticks, spit on, yell offensive slurs and demoralize Police Officers who swore an oath to protect and lay thier life on the line for these very same people."

And Army is 100% correct in stating it is a Priviledge. Any of our so called "rights" can be taken away from us at a moments notice by our Justice System. Nothing is absolute, even in America. The moment a "Peaceful assembly of people" becomes offensive or has the POTENTIAL to become a Riot (which you only need 3 people to act in a disorderly fashion to be defined as a Riot) something needs to be done and your legal right to be free from Police Action is thrown out the window. Just don't be in my town trying to start no crap.



I WOULD NEVER MISUSE MY POWER OR USE UNLAWFUL FORCE!

There is that better?

Also, I could care less whether you think the way I think is horrible/un-American/etc. That is YOUR belief. I have mine. I love my country and what it stands for.

Protest all you want in a PEACEFUL manner, but that still dosen't mean I have to like you. I don't have to agree with everyone.

[Mango]

Originally posted by Jack_Dubious


If he just meant unlawful protesting why did he have to preface it with "call me closed minded..." The resist remark was cause he wants a reason to baton and OC people. So until he says differently I will assume he believes all protesting is "un-American".

JDub

I don't think ALL protesting is un-American, but when you have a bunch of Protestors holding up signs "Down with Bush" or "Make Peace not War" well, my blood boils. What can I say?

Blocking off city streets, blocking trains, and being generally disruptive while protesting all consistutes use of force from Police. But guess what, most of the time the police will not do anything unless it becomes violent. My brothers and sisters in blue give protestors a lot of slack because the libral media will call them "Animals" or say that they were "Abusing thier power!!!!" Yeah..ok.


Police Officers have 6 seconds to make a snap decision, the news media has 6 months to decide whether it was right or wrong.

[1stdeadeye]

CB again

How did I know that CB would ring in here!

I will only disagree with Army on one point. Peaceful Assembly to protest is a RIGHT ! Doesn't mean we have to agree or like it, but it is a right. One earned and defended from the point of a rifle!

I do strongly feel that the right to protest ends when it becomes illegal! Then break out the Mango's!

I do like your sig JDub. Dissent can be patriotic. However College Professors (Columbia) calling for the deaths of US service personal go way to far for my tastes.

[Rooster]

It the people right to protest. Just like its my right to tell them they are un-american scum. Just becuase you have the right to do something, doesn't make it right. I'm sick of these morons lining the streets with their Martin Luther King Jr. complexes, trying to be some kind of folk hero.

Its fashionable to protest, nothing more. Its a shame people had to die to give people the right to be morons.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Rooster
It the people right to protest. Just like its my right to tell them they are un-american scum. Just becuase you have the right to do something, doesn't make it right. I'm sick of these morons lining the streets with their Martin Luther King Jr. complexes, trying to be some kind of folk hero.

Its fashionable to protest, nothing more. Its a shame people had to die to give people the right to be morons.

Same can be said about you.

Notice what I said in my statement and what sprayingmango said.

[Jonneh]

You cannot blame the protestors for blocking streets and bringing transport to a halt because it is the only way that their message will be heard. Imagine if the protests had no news or tv coverage at all. They would just be seen as a bunch of guys being anti american (note: disliking bush and his actions is NOT being anti-american).

While i am 99% sure the protestors actions will make little or no difference to the way this war is fought, I beleive that the fact that you (the american public) know of these peoples presence, and their stance, is preferable to them getting ignored, and shunned as anti american swine.

note: I'm anti war

Ammendment: I disagree entirely with violent protest, but also feel that violent "protestors" are not actually protesting anything, but rather think that it is funny and/or enjoyable to break things and people. These are the real idiots that our countries could do without.

[DaosBeoulve]

[nippinout]

Originally posted by Jonneh
You cannot blame the protestors for blocking streets and bringing transport to a halt because it is the only way that their message will be heard. Imagine if the protests had no news or tv coverage at all. They would just be seen as a bunch of guys being anti american (note: disliking bush and his actions is NOT being anti-american).

I can blame the protestors for clogging up traffic. I was late to class because of them blocking campus streets. Blocking streets without police or city approval creates only dangerous situations.

There are other means of protest than civil disobedience.

While i am 99% sure the protestors actions will make little or no difference to the way this war is fought, I beleive that the fact that you (the american public) know of these peoples presence, and their stance, is preferable to them getting ignored, and shunned as anti american swine.

All they care for is attention.

note: I'm anti war

Who the heck isn't. Every sane person is anti-war.

Ammendment: I disagree entirely with violent protest, but also feel that violent "protestors" are not actually protesting anything, but rather think that it is funny and/or enjoyable to break things and people. These are the real idiots that our countries could do without. [/B]

Right on.

[Jonneh]

lol, quoting post bit by bit for fun and profit

nippinout started his incredible post analysis with this revelation
I can blame the protestors for clogging up traffic. I was late to class because of them blocking campus streets. Blocking streets without police or city approval creates only dangerous situations.

There are other means of protest than civil disobedience.

Yes there are, but they don't draw enough tv/news coverage. I think people care more about showing their mass distain for Mr Bushes iraqi trek than making sure you get to school on time duder.
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nippinout then stated the obvious
All they care for is attention.

woah!

nippinout points out his contempt for my absentmindedness at not being utterly anal about my use of language
Who the heck isn't. Every sane person is anti-war.

oh crap dood. u got me

This message from robocop, or possibly nippinout
Right on.

hay that was fun

[nippinout]

Originally posted by Jonneh
I think people care more about showing their mass distain for Mr Bushes iraqi trek than making sure you get to school on time duder.

Dude! I get quizzes every lecture at the top of class. I missed a quiz because of my tardiness. *angry face*

Hippy < Important < Quiz

lol