Choose a car. Can't decide.

[johnny_g_1405]

Originally posted by shartley

i always assumed stock meant unmodified from its origional form. and the GT, Cobra R, and the BOSS, are all modified from what they were origionally produced as

[shartley]

Originally posted by johnny_g_1405


i always assumed stock meant unmodified from its origional form. and the GT, Cobra R, and the BOSS, are all modified from what they were origionally produced as

Then so is the X-Mag, C&C Mag, etc. In fact everything above the classic valve would be.

I consider anything that I can drive off the lot without special ordering, as Stock. Stock does not mean "Base Model", it means standard options for each model. The GT, Cobra R, and the Boss are all options Ford offers as standard models of Mustangs... they don't take a base model and THEN modify it for you.

I also own a Grand Caravan SE, it has the bigger 6 in it and towing package... does that mean it is not stock because the "base model" does not come with that?

[rhetor22]

haha... towing package on a minivan...

yeah the boss 429 wouldn't be considered stock then. They had to revamp the entire front end under the hood just so they could fit the massive 429ci engine in there.

Still... the cj had something like 350hp, and boatloads of downlow power, i think it could easily spank a wrx in the 0-60. I think the 351 and 302 were actually faster than it though, due to the weight and obviously intake.

Hehe, i love when people say something like:

Maybe that mustang is faster but put the money you saved into a wrx and its better!!1!

And then i show a picture of a little 302 hatchback GT doing a wheel stand.

[Orange Crush]

Originally posted by Greg98
I find it a tad ironic about all this talk about imports having incredible handling, and in an old car and driver of mine it shows a new mustang Cobra schooling the much anticipated, much hyped mazda rx-8 around the track, as well as a sport tuned g35 coupe. Granted, the cobra is quite far from stock, but it is also much heavier than the nimble, and almost 50/50 balanced mazda.

Long live domestics

I couldn't find the back article you are talking about But on a full track and not just a slalom, the extra 135hp advantage the cobra has is probably a good help.

I just thought I would post this, since "domestics rule" and all...

MazdaSpeed Protege, 170hp, 700ft slalom: 70.3mph
MSP

Ford Mustang Cobra R, 385hp, 700ft slalom: 70.4mph
Cobra R

I just find it amusing that the little $20,000 dollar protege can hang with the top line $55,000 mustang through the slalom. That's good stuff.

Originally posted by rehtor22
Hehe, i love when people say something like:

Maybe that mustang is faster but put the money you saved into a wrx and its better!!1!

And then i show a picture of a little 302 hatchback GT doing a wheel stand.

Then I'd show you a picture of the WRX going home without a trailer.

I would rather have a well rounded WRX than a straightline mustang. Maybe its just me, but I like a very good well rounded car. I want it to be fast, not fastest, and handle well, not best...that way, I can enjoy it on all fronts. You are just as likely to find me at an autocross as a you would a drag strip.

[FalconGuy016]

lucky kid...

[shartley]

Originally posted by rhetor22
haha... towing package on a minivan...

LOL Yup. She has towed boats, trailers, campers, etc.

Originally posted by Orange Crush
I just find it amusing that the little $20,000 dollar protege can hang with the top line $55,000 mustang through the slalom. That's good stuff.

[johnny_g_1405]

Originally posted by shartley
[B]
I consider anything that I can drive off the lot without special ordering, as Stock. Stock does not mean "Base Model", it means standard options for each model. The GT, Cobra R, and the Boss are all options Ford offers as standard models of Mustangs... they don't take a base model and THEN modify it for you.
/B]

actually you have to custom order a BOSS, and if your minivan came from the factory like that then it is stock

[shartley]

Originally posted by johnny_g_1405


actually you have to custom order a BOSS, and if your minivan came from the factory like that then it is stock

Okay.. then if you have to custom order a BOSS then you CAN call it not stock... but do you have to custom order a GT or a Cobra? Or how about a Mach?

My point is that "anything" over a BASE Model Mustang, is not automatically NOT stock... far from it. But you want to argue ONE model that you "have" to order special... when the original model stated was the Cobra R which was used in a test drive... and that can be had STOCK.

(Added: Have a look at STOCK Mustangs offered as STANDARD models from Ford... http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mus...dex.asp?bhcp=1 )

[obsolete898]

I just wanted to say that the 13.8 times C&D put up are crap. Z28'2 and T/A's consistantly run low 13'2 stock, hell some break into the 12's. Those times may be from higher than sea level and not corrected. My corrected time for my vert T/A is 13.59 and that's bone stock.

The Neon SRT-4 is a great buy, I think it'll run consistant high 13's, low 14's. I saw some guy post a time on LS1.com it was a high 13 with some mods.

Also the STI will be in the 13's. Any non-vert F-Body I know will walk both of them.

[Orange Crush]

Originally posted by shartley

No I completely agree, and as I was stating early in my same post...the reason the Cobra trounced the RX-8 was because of a 135hp advantage...from just a handling point of view the slalom is a little more fair comparison...the track is a good judge of a well rounded car. I just posted the Cobra R vs. MSP argument to get a rise out a domestic lover...haha

obsolete898 I agree that the LS1 is much faster than the C&D times state, but I can't argue fact without info to back it up...the LS1 still won out.

Now this is just bench racing, but I honestly think that the WRX STi could possibly dip into the 12's, at the very least very low 13's and will mostly likely destroy most unmodified LS1's in light to light racing, and even the quarter mile. Over the course of a 1/4 mile the LS1 will definately be running down the STi and trap much higher, but I don't think it will catch it in time....1/2 mile, very different story, I'd side with the LS1 but AWD is a nasty be-otch on the street....club DSM mops up around here with all the AWD eclipse/talons.

[Greg98]

I think one thing we are missing here, is SOUND Sitting behind the wheel of a big V8 camaro and revving that engine creates an absolutely beautiful sound....hell, even hearing a 5.0 on the street is incredible, when I see a GT pull up by me I put down my windows to hear that exhaust! lol. So in other words I'd rather have a grumbly V8 than a whiny flat 4 or inline 4, especially when those annoying ricer kids put those fart pipes (read that as exhaust tips) on their civics and they just sound ridiculous.

[obsolete898]

Everyone says on the street AWD is the best, but when I race on the street I race from a usually race from a roll. I raced a modded WRX that runs close to 1/2 a second faster than me. We hit it from a 30 roll, all I heard was his turbo spool and then I saw his headlights in my mirror.

Most of the time if I'm racing from a dig on the street it's on some long straights that we can get up to about 130. I hardly ever race light to light.

Don't get me wrong there are alot of great imports out there, and I respect any fast car. It just seems alot of them have one nich they're good at and that's it. Supra's destroy at high speed rolls, but don't have great times compared to power. 3000gt VR4 and WRX's have a great launch but the traps aren't there.

[Orange Crush]

Originally posted by Greg98
I think one thing we are missing here, is SOUND Sitting behind the wheel of a big V8 camaro and revving that engine creates an absolutely beautiful sound....hell, even hearing a 5.0 on the street is incredible, when I see a GT pull up by me I put down my windows to hear that exhaust! lol. So in other words I'd rather have a grumbly V8 than a whiny flat 4 or inline 4, especially when those annoying ricer kids put those fart pipes (read that as exhaust tips) on their civics and they just sound ridiculous.

Again, I agree, a friend of mine has a Mustang Bullitt with intake mods and it sounds awesome, I love it, but to me...and this is just me, there is no greater sound than that of the turbo spooling up and the BOV dumping (cept maybe a ferrari)...music to my ears. I can't even hear the exhaust over my turbo..LOL.

Originally posted by obsolete898
Everyone says on the street AWD is the best, but when I race on the street I race from a usually race from a roll. I raced a modded WRX that runs close to 1/2 a second faster than me. We hit it from a 30 roll, all I heard was his turbo spool and then I saw his headlights in my mirror.

Yeah, if I had an LS1 and I was racing AWD, I'd run from a roll too, if I had a WRX, I'd refuse anything but from a stop...I have a wrong wheel drive eclipse, and it moves out okay, just ever so slightly faster than my buddie's Bullitt, but on the street I get trounced, then he races another friend of mine with a lot slower car that is AWD and he gets trounced....<to self>I'm never buying FWD again...sigh

Originally posted by obsolete898
Most of the time if I'm racing from a dig on the street it's on some long straights that we can get up to about 130. I hardly ever race light to light.

Don't get me wrong there are alot of great imports out there, and I respect any fast car. Me too!! It just seems alot of them have one nich they're good at and that's it. Supra's destroy at high speed rolls, but don't have great times compared to power. 3000gt VR4 and WRX's have a great launch but the traps aren't there.

I think that is probably true of all cars....that's why you tend to not race from a roll unless there is room to roam....that way you can over come launch advantages your opponent might have.

[rhetor22]

I would bet that if you detune that cobra R by about 100hp, you would be getting much better slalom speeds.


You're right though, the imports have handling over the americans. If you want pure torque and speed, then you want american.

[johnny_g_1405]

I would bet that if you detune that cobra R by about 100hp, you would be getting much better slalom speeds.

slamons are handling, the amount of hp doesnt affect that, but if you took the time to tune the suspension you would get better times in slamon and 1/4 mile