Marijuana Legalization; where do you stand?

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by Xen
your commiting a crime and you should be punished accordingly, all your posts are just fallicies and have no validity, you should just go back to the hole you came from, hell your polly high right now and thats why you are acting like a complete hoser right now. Look at it from a non smoker side, and you will see no benifit. You just want cheaper weed and have it easier to get... thats the ONLY reason you want it legalized, for personal gain....

Ok sure, oh wait I don't smoke, the smell alone makes me want to puke. Yet I am arguing for it.

[InfinatyBPS]

Originally posted by Xen
your commiting a crime and you should be punished accordingly, all your posts are just fallicies and have no validity, you should just go back to the hole you came from, hell your polly high right now and thats why you are acting like a complete hoser right now. Look at it from a non smoker side, and you will see no benifit. You just want cheaper weed and have it easier to get... thats the ONLY reason you want it legalized, for personal gain....

I'm sure you will like to pay for 71million people to be in prison with your tax money, now wouldn't you? Hole? I have made several valid arguments, and how many have you made? Hmmm... lets count them... none... ok? Lets summarize on why marijuana should be legalized...

It was made illegal through deception from the government, it was made illegal because of greed, 13 million people have been put in prison over a plant in the last 30 years, it has several enviromental advantages, the government has to lie to think of reasons for it to be illegal, and 19billion dollars are being wasted every year. And you think that all this is a good thing for some odd reason.

[InfinatyBPS]

Originally posted by oldsoldier
First; Xen, shut the hell up.
Now, legalizing pot wont solve anything. You would be taxed on it, and, it would be regulated. The THC would be SIGNIFICANTLY lowered, to a level agreed upon by people in the industry. Now, that will make them roughly the same as a cigarette. now, ask yourself this; would you buy it legally then, knowing you WONT get high? Or, go to a dealer that sells it for real?
Think the whole problem through, before spouting off about it.

What I am hoping would be legalized would be cultivation and possesion. So people could grow their own so they know what they are smoking, and possesion because well, its kinda hard to use it if you aren't possesing it...

[Kevmaster]

No...not only do we need to keep marijuana illegal, we need to step up the drug enforcement. our "war on drugs" is sucking right now. We're spending 80BILLION+ per year to fight drugs, and they're still kicking our ***. We need to rethink our policy. if there was one man in washington who would be willing to risk his career to stand up against drugs and try and enforce things, he would have my vote and im sure many others. However, things like using the military to patrol borders, and using teh navy to patrol the gulf coast, they dont go over well with the american people.

but we need to admit to ourselves, the current approach we have on the war on drugs SUCKS.

[InfinatyBPS]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
No...not only do we need to keep marijuana illegal, we need to step up the drug enforcement. our "war on drugs" is sucking right now. We're spending 80BILLION+ per year to fight drugs, and they're still kicking our ***. We need to rethink our policy. if there was one man in washington who would be willing to risk his career to stand up against drugs and try and enforce things, he would have my vote and im sure many others. However, things like using the military to patrol borders, and using teh navy to patrol the gulf coast, they dont go over well with the american people.

but we need to admit to ourselves, the current approach we have on the war on drugs SUCKS.

I respect your views, and I am just wondering why you feel that marijuana should be illegal, while alcohol is legal? what makes marijuana that much worse that you could get prison time for it?

[langrage]

But a very large percentage of dealers are purely MJ dealers, therefore a very large percentage of that violence would be gone

yeah I can hear the drug dealers now. "yeah they legalized pot so I guess I better go get a job at Mc Donalds. If I could only break into the other illicit drugs so I could maintain my way of life. O well better get to Mc Donalds"

And as for addiction, who the hell told you it was addictive?

I'm sure you will like to pay for 71million people to be in prison with your tax money, now wouldn't you .... 19billion dollars are being wasted every year.

I wouldn't pay if they followed the law.

13 million people have been put in prison over a plant in the last 30 years, it has several environmental advantages

[Jonneh]

marijuana is used illegally by some terminally ill people for pain releif I've heard.

I say legalise everything, first set up government funded labs to make pure high quality "drugs" and sell them for a cheaper price than they can be obtained on the street, meaning that major drug cartels will either go out of business, or have to lower their prices so much that it doesn't become worth to sell and ship it.

Use it as a form of social darwinism, those who can afford and control their habit have absolutely no problem, but those found breaking the law in the persuit of, or under the influence of any "watched" substances get some unpleasant sentence

I didn't do drugs because I beleived everything I was told and saw on tv until the age of 12, and I never hung around with the cool kids :[

[InfinatyBPS]

Originally posted by langrage

Hmm... I never said that it mj dealers would stop selling different drugs, I'm sure some will, but I also know alot of people that sell, that aren't going to go selling crystal and crack to make a living...

And as for your friends "scoring some" that isn't addiction. If you call that addiction then I know alot of people addicted to smoothies becuase some friends were like hey, I've got some extra cash, lets go get a smoothie, its pretty much the same thing, that isn't addiction, its doing what you like. And as for getting a bigger fix? People have been smoking MJ for decades and still smoke it and don't go to other drugs for a "fix".

And you also wouldn't pay if it wasn't against the law.

If it were allowd to be grown then I'd grow my own with THC... So no I wouldn't be arguing.

and as for putting down the pipe, Its been down for about a week now, so ya... whats your point?

[oldsoldier]

Ok, one last quick blurb. This isnt about "alcohol is legal, so why cant pot be?". That is not a valid response. And, you wont be able to cultivate your own. Can you make your own whiskey? Legally? No. the government will take control of the crops. You cant feasibly grow your own tobacco...and, it wasn't made illegal due to some Governmental fear, or conspiracy. It was ORIGINALLY made illegal to PROTECT the cotton crops. THEN, someone found out the mild hallucintatory by products of THC. And, the THC is not a direct product of it, at least not in the quantity that we find it today. I believe (dont quote me on this, I am remembering this from a class by DEA a few years back), that it is now like 700 times more potenet than it was originally. So, why should they make it legal? Cuz everyone does it? That doesnt make something right. Maybe because these people dont harm anyone? Really? Look at the drug/crime stats; I'll bet you most violent offenders use MArijuana. Maybe not exclusively, but they do. They also drink. It impairs your judgement as well; is it legal to drink and drive? No. You can no more be a "little high" than you can be a "little drunk". And, how do they test THC saturation? Blood test. So, you get pulled over, they do a breath AND blood test on you. Why? Because you are a danger to the public. And, its better to be safe than sorry
One last thing; you can REFUSE ANY TEST; but you WILL lose your liscense. You get behind a wheel impaired, you endanger everyone on those streets. Personally, I'd rather you lose your liscense, than a mother bury her child because you "didnt think I was that drunk/high".

[langrage]

Hmm... I never said that it mj dealers would stop selling different drugs, I'm sure some will, but I also know alot of people that sell, that aren't going to go selling crystal and crack to make a living...

I'll let the cops know so they can get blue ribbons and gold stars for their contribution to the community.

People have been smoking MJ for decades and still smoke it and don't go to other drugs for a "fix".

The sad thing is this is rare. If we were to ask people if they smoked pot and if they ever tried another drug more than half would raise their hands.

And you also wouldn't pay if it wasn't against the law.

It is against the law so it does cost me. I rather my tax dollars go to my SS or maybe a government sponsored medical plan.

I'd grow my own with THC... So no I wouldn't be arguing.

So basically you don't care about the environmental purposes just want it to get high. So you shouldn't use that as a valid reason to legalize it.

[1stdeadeye]

First off, even if Marijuana was legalized, half of you who posted here would be unable to buy it. Don't you think there would be an age limit just like there is with cigarretes? So anyone under 18 would still break the law by buyint pot.

Second, youths smoking rates are on the decline. Teen smoking is finally falling. We are beating Big Tobacco, so why would you want to create Big Pot!

Finally all smoking causes cancer. Why bring another form of cancer causing misery into the mainstream? When Pot is relatively expensive and difficult to get, you don't smoke as much. If it were cheap and legal, do you doubt that anyone who smoked it would smoke it at the same rate as cigarrettes?

I personally would not mind if you banned pot, Cigarrettes, cigars, pipes, etc... I think it is a filthy habit, but that is my opinion.

[InfinatyBPS]

Ok, I'm just wondering, why do you people feel that its bad enough to be illegal? and don't you care that the government is constantly lieing? and think about this, if the government has to lie about something to make it seem bad, is it realy that bad? Just thoughts and I'm wondering what you people think about that, and please don't come back at me, "MJ IS EVIL, DIE!!!!!"

[1stdeadeye]

Does smoking cause cancer?

Will people smoke as much pot as tobacco if legalized?

Will Medicare/Medicaid have to pay for all those moronic smoker's cancer treatment?

Will we have a giant Pot settlement for all 50 states 30years from now?

Yes! Thus I say nay!

[bluepiz]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Does smoking cause cancer?

Will people smoke as much pot as tobacco if legalized?

Will Medicare/Medicaid have to pay for all those moronic smoker's cancer treatment?

Will we have a giant Pot settlement for all 50 states 30years from now?

Yes! Thus I say nay!

does smoking cause cancer?
tobacco, yes. marijuana? yes, some things in MJ when you smoke it are known to be carcinogenic, but, never has there been a case of someone getting cancer solely because they smoked marijuana. go ahead, try and find one.

will people smoke as much pot as tobacco if it were legalized?
some people would, but very few, compared to how many people smoke pot in this society. the fact is, many people go through 2 packs of cigs a day, because they are addictive. marijuana is hardly addictive, and only on a mental level at that. its very, very easy to not smoke weed and feel fine. don't act like a MJ expert if you've never tried it.

Will Medicare/Medicaid have to pay for all those moronic smoker's cancer treatment?
if they even get cancer, which they probably wouldn't if they were only smoking MJ ...even then, if they smoked themselves a joint, it could easily help them cope with any sort of cancer, thanks to MJ's wonderful medicinal qualities.

Will we have a giant Pot settlement for all 50 states 30years from now?
no.

thus i say, legalize it.
"legalize it, and we will advertise it."

[Mango]

First of all let me say that, as a soon to be police officer, I would not support ANY legislation to legalize marijuana. At the Academy, we spent 2 days studying the mountains of research that has been done on the effects of Marijuana on the human body.

Let me also say that, anyone that needs an outside drug that is solely used as an INTOXICANT to function or to "let loose" or "feel good" IS OF A WEAK MIND AND BODY and needs to get a life.

Marijuana has been shown, in clinical studies, to contain over 400 chemicals, 60 of which are TOXIC to the body and DIRECTLY relate to Cancer development. Aside from the myraid of damaging effects it has on the human body, there are plenty of other facts to support my arguments.

And do not throw the "Alcohol is legal so pot should be too." argument at me. Here is a short snippet from a Medical Journal:

"Alcohol consists of one substance only: ethanol. Marijuana contains 400 different chemicals; 60 of these have been proven to cause cancer.

Alcohol is eliminated from the body in a few hours; THC stays in the body fat for months, even years. A person who smokes two to three joints a week is constantly under the influence of the drug.

THC damages the immune system. Alcohol does not.

There is no intention here to minimize the dangers of alcohol abuse, which can be equally harmful. Alcohol, however, can be used in moderation without causing severe damage. Cannabis, which is used exclusively as an intoxicant, is far more dangerous even when used in small amounts because its active agent continues to build up in body fat."

Here is something else to chew on:

Also, for all you guys out there that smoke up, THC will eventually kill your sex drive by almost stopping the production of Testosterone. And it makes you impotent. Clinically proven.