Marijuana Legalization; where do you stand?

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Im not sure you know just how big the national debt is. Sure 8-16 billion dollars a year would help. But that would not eliminate the national debt. sorry

[joeyjoe367]

I honestly don't care if Marijuanna is good or bad for you. I don't care if it's addictive, if it causes cancer or lowers your inhibitions.

It's an intoxicant. You do it to get high. Mango couldn't have said it better when he said "Let me also say that, anyone that needs an outside drug that is solely used as an INTOXICANT to function or to "let loose" or "feel good" IS OF A WEAK MIND AND BODY and needs to get a life."

Yeah, yeah, alcohol is an intoxicant also however, you can drink alcoholic beverages and not get drunk. Ever hear anyone smoking MJ and not trying to get high? Oh wait... Slick-Willy didn't inhale.. wtf was the point in that? I bet he did...

Tobacco causes cancer, yeah. As far as I'm concerned, we should ban it. I 'still can't understand why people smoke cigarettes; It doesn't really benefit you by any means. It's my understanding that it can "relax" you, but so does playing golf for some people. Golf actually just aggrivates me but that's aside the point. Cigars are smoked for the taste, so that's the only reason I can see anyone using Tobacco.

Both Tobacco and MJ are filthy habits. It's disgusting really. Who the hell decided "Gee, I'm going to grab the leaves off this plant, burn them and inhale the smoke!"

Someone mentioned that the US government is empowering druglords in other countries by making MJ illegal. I can't agree with that logically. Marijuanna was illegal first. People want to smoke it. Drug lords can provide it. It's simple supply & demand, whether the product is licit or illicit. The drug lords have *basically* an infinate supply. Who is REALLY empowering those drug lords are those who USE the drugs.

If no one wanted the drugs, there'd be no market for them. The US government wouldn't have to patrol our boarders or bust dealers.

Fact of the matter is you can't blame anyone else except yourself for empowering druglords.

Legalizing drugs would just be a cop-out. I don't want to raise my future kids in a place where some hippie is at the bus stop offering them a drag off his joint/bong/whatever. It's bad enough as-is, with tobacco, marijuanna and all the other crap that's on the streets today.

Losing the war on drugs? So... we should just give up? Sorry, not good enough for me. If we're spending 80 billion on the war against drugs, I say spend another 80 billion more. That's MY tax dollars well spent, IMO. I'd much rather it be spent elsewhere, but I've already discussed who's in charge of the war against drugs.

It's demand-side that needs help, not supply-side. Stop doing your drugs and it'd all be over.

What is *NOT* my tax-dollars well spent are people in hospitals draining medicare because they were shot by the police when they resisted arrest for dealing drugs.

I've seen MJ screw people up. It's really, truly sad.

[TransMan]

You cant drink with out being impared if only a little and you can do the same thing with MJ by not smokin very much. Also you can go play golf any time you want to relax cigs are a fast easy way to calm down i dont smoke them im just saying thats why a lot of people do. Some people smoke cigs cuz they are addicted or just because they want to and i have no problem with that at all because i dont see where its any of my buisness what other people do to their own bodies.

I also dont believe you under stand how much of a waste of money that 80 million dolers is and if u added another 80 nothing would change at all...

[Restola]

Originally posted by joeyjoe367
I honestly don't care if Marijuanna is good or bad for you. I don't care if it's addictive, if it causes cancer or lowers your inhibitions. It's an intoxicant. You do it to get high. Mango couldn't have said it better when he said "Let me also say that, anyone that needs an outside drug that is solely used as an INTOXICANT to function or to "let loose" or "feel good" IS OF A WEAK MIND AND BODY and needs to get a life."

You think the government should spend billions of dollars every year, and the gangs should continue to be funded with BILLIONS of dollars every year, solely because you have a moral objection to people getting high, and think marijuana is "bad".

That sounds reasonable.

[daveymag]

Originally posted by joeyjoe367
Losing the war on drugs? So... we should just give up? Sorry, not good enough for me. If we're spending 80 billion on the war against drugs, I say spend another 80 billion more. That's MY tax dollars well spent, IMO. I'd much rather it be spent elsewhere, but I've already discussed who's in charge of the war against drugs.

I just get upset when I am spending tax dollars in order to give up my rights as an American citizen. For example when my Fourth Amendment, which assures me that the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures is violated by some cop that pulls me over on the side of the road for no reason what so ever beyond suspicion that I may have drugs, search my car, basically tear my car apart find nothing at all, search me and find a large sum of money, (say $80 dollars) and take that from me and keep it because they can say that they suspect I will be going to buy drugs with it. All in the name of the war on drugs. And in order for me to get my hard earned $80 dollars back, I have to appear in court with a lawer(that probably costs more than $80 dollars an hour) Which is ludacris meaning that I won't try to get my money that I work hard and honestly for. If that isn't blatently breaking the Fourth Ammendment of the constitution, then I don't know what is. So joeyjoe, what other rights would you like to give up so that people can't smoke a weed that grows wildly?

[giblit]

i personally think the war on drugs is a waste of money. im a former smoker and i still smoke depending on how my knee feels, i wouldnt not care what so ever if pot was legal. but they can still keep it illegal and stop spending so much on the war on drugs, its a complete waste. my grandparents next door neighbors had 18 pounds in their attic and they got busted, the police did nothing at all, they took their pot and thats all, they didnt even hand cuff them. the growers werent even worried they were laughing about it. another example is my best friends dad had 4 acres of some of the best pot id ever had and he got CAMPed, the took all of it and they didnt even let him know they took it they just flew in by helicopter and let a bunch of trucks in and they took it all in a matter of hours. my point is they arent even punishing the people that get caught, they are just wasting man power to take pot and do nothing with it, it just makes me mad that they could tax it and make so much money off of it and it could fund the war on drugs.

[InfinatyBPS]

I honestly don't care if Marijuanna is good or bad for you. I don't care if it's addictive, if it causes cancer or lowers your inhibitions.

It's an intoxicant. You do it to get high. Mango couldn't have said it better when he said "Let me also say that, anyone that needs an outside drug that is solely used as an INTOXICANT to function or to "let loose" or "feel good" IS OF A WEAK MIND AND BODY and needs to get a life."

Yeah, yeah, alcohol is an intoxicant also however, you can drink alcoholic beverages and not get drunk. Ever hear anyone smoking MJ and not trying to get high? Oh wait... Slick-Willy didn't inhale.. wtf was the point in that? I bet he did...

Let me first say that Mango's statement was very stupid. He even had to change it when he relized that that included alcohol, which is perfectly legal and socialy acceptable.

And why would someone drink alcoholic bevereges without getting drunk? I know it isn't the taste of them. And it is quite possable to smoke MJ and not get high, and I know alot of people that do it. Smoking one joint isn't going to blow you out of your mind, its much like smoking a ciggaret and having a beer.


Tobacco causes cancer, yeah. As far as I'm concerned, we should ban it. I 'still can't understand why people smoke cigarettes; It doesn't really benefit you by any means. It's my understanding that it can "relax" you, but so does playing golf for some people. Golf actually just aggrivates me but that's aside the point. Cigars are smoked for the taste, so that's the only reason I can see anyone using Tobacco.

Both Tobacco and MJ are filthy habits. It's disgusting really. Who the hell decided "Gee, I'm going to grab the leaves off this plant, burn them and inhale the smoke!"

So just because you don't like something you want to take away that freedom from the rest of the American people? Also burning of "leaves" and herbs have been around for thousands of years, who are you to suddenly come out and say that it's a "filthy habit"?

[B}Someone mentioned that the US government is empowering druglords in other countries by making MJ illegal. I can't agree with that logically. Marijuanna was illegal first. People want to smoke it. Drug lords can provide it. It's simple supply & demand, whether the product is licit or illicit. The drug lords have *basically* an infinate supply. Who is REALLY empowering those drug lords are those who USE the drugs.

If no one wanted the drugs, there'd be no market for them. The US government wouldn't have to patrol our boarders or bust dealers.

Fact of the matter is you can't blame anyone else except yourself for empowering druglords.[/B]

No, Marijuana was LEGAL first. And people were using it, and there were no drug lords or dealers or anything. Then the government lied about it and used deception to get it illegal. And so what if people want to smoke it, isn't that their right? And the government wouldn't have to patrol our borders to bust smugglers if it was legal, because nobody would need anything that those drug dealers have because we would be able to grow our own.

Legalizing drugs would just be a cop-out. I don't want to raise my future kids in a place where some hippie is at the bus stop offering them a drag off his joint/bong/whatever. It's bad enough as-is, with tobacco, marijuanna and all the other crap that's on the streets today.

Hmm Don't want to raise your future kids where someone is going to offer your kid's weed? Well you had better go somewhere else because thats whats in our schools today. Everyday I walk by the bus stop in front of my school there is somebody smoking a join, blunt, hitting a pipe. Thats how it is, and theres no way that the war on drugs is going to change that.

Losing the war on drugs? So... we should just give up? Sorry, not good enough for me. If we're spending 80 billion on the war against drugs, I say spend another 80 billion more. That's MY tax dollars well spent, IMO. I'd much rather it be spent elsewhere, but I've already discussed who's in charge of the war against drugs.

Well the war on drugs will never be won, until there are cameras in every room, in every house, on ever streetcorner and every inch of America is under survalence. Until then drugs will be out there in America. And when that happens this won't be America.



It's demand-side that needs help, not supply-side. Stop doing your drugs and it'd all be over.

What is *NOT* my tax-dollars well spent are people in hospitals draining medicare because they were shot by the police when they resisted arrest for dealing drugs.

I've seen MJ screw people up. It's really, truly sad.

You will never stop people from wanting to do MJ, even the lies that the government has put out throughout the last 70 years hasn't stopped anything. And people wouldn't be in those hospitals if it were legal, whats stupid is the government shooting people over a plant. That bullet is what I don't want my tax dollar going to.

[superdesk2007]

should stay illeagal
-it's not better than alcohol (a little alcohol in moderation can be good for you)
-it wouldn't be illegal now if it wasn't dangerous

btw I can't believe that a pb player would have the money to buy pot, it should all go toward paint

btw I have no respect for users of illegal drugs it may not be a big deal to you but to many straight people it is

[TransMan]

Originally posted by superdesk2007
should stay illeagal
-it's not better than alcohol (a little alcohol in moderation can be good for you)
-it wouldn't be illegal now if it wasn't dangerous

btw I can't believe that a pb player would have the money to buy pot, it should all go toward paint

btw I have no respect for users of illegal drugs it may not be a big deal to you but to many straight people it is

How is alcohol better and how is it good for you?
Yes because everything that is illegal is dangerous and everything legal isnt...

There are also quite a few strait people that dont care if someone tokes up in their own home...

[daveymag]

Originally posted by superdesk2007
-it wouldn't be illegal now if it wasn't dangerous

How about you go do some research on how it actually became illegal, I think that you will be rather surprised to find out how it really went down.

[Conine]

Originally posted by joeyjoe367
It's an intoxicant. You do it to get high....

Yeah, yeah, alcohol is an intoxicant also however, you can drink alcoholic beverages and not get drunk. Ever hear anyone smoking MJ and not trying to get high?

Exactly why are you exempting alcohol as an intoxicant then? Because you -can- drink and not get drunk? But you hold that it isn't true for marijuana because you can't smoke and not get high?

Meaning what, if you take one drag off of a weak joint, you're automatically high beyond all control? Gee, why is everyone wasting their money and smoking in greater quantities? Reality is, one of the prohibitionist arguments themselves counters your theory. The DEA and such will tell you that as pot smokers build up a tolerance to marijuana, they 'need more and more of the drug to feel the effects.' Meaning it's not only possible to smoke and not get high, THEY BASE THEIR CLAIMS OF TOLERANCE AND ADDICTION ON IT. No, like Mango, you can't have it both ways. You can't hug your Budweiser and then go off about the evil intoxicating effects of pot.

Who is REALLY empowering those drug lords are those who USE the drugs.

Right, -clearly-, it must be the pot smokers who want pot to be illegal. It makes -perfect sense-....

1) Buyer and Seller, weed is legal

No interdiction, supply is unaffected, prices are low, druglords can't compete, no druglord.

2) Buyer, Seller, Government enforces prohibition, jails buyers and sellers, confiscates weed

Interdiction lowers supply, jail time raises prices due to risk associated with selling, prices are high, legitimate companies cannot sell, so the trade goes to the black market, druglords reign.

Sure, I can see how the BUYER is the problem.

Problem is, the buyer doesn't have control over the laws. And don't sing this sad Saturday afternoon special about all the weed smokers realizing the error of their ways and then there's no demand. Until we are all mind controlled, there will be demand. If you raise the jail sentences, the prices will just get higher and you make the druglords RICHER.

Legalizing drugs would just be a cop-out.

Probably exactly what one of the arguments not to repeal prohibition were. Actually, you could pretty much use this whole post as a post to not repeal alcohol prohibition. Intoxicant...empowering organized crime...worried about legal alcohol causing the decline of civilization...

I don't want to raise my future kids in a place where some hippie is at the bus stop offering them a drag off his joint/bong/whatever.

Got news for you. You're already in that world. And there are consquences for 'hippies' who would do that, just as there would be consequences if he handed your future kids a Colt .45.

Losing the war on drugs? So... we should just give up? Sorry, not good enough for me.

You're only giving up if you're profiteering from the drug war (many are), otherwise, you're altering the plan to make something that actually works. The goal of the plan is to reduce or eliminate drug use, well, this is a poor way to do it. If the goal is to throw all those damn potheads in jail, then yeah, this is the way. But you won't eliminate usage that way.

If we're spending 80 billion on the war against drugs, I say spend another 80 billion more. That's MY tax dollars well spent, IMO. I'd much rather it be spent elsewhere, but I've already discussed who's in charge of the war against drugs.

Right, it's the "Buyers"
What will another 80 billion accomplish, other than screwing over your own economy? Other than possibly eroding the Bill of Rights even further? More interdiction? Less supply? Pissing into the wind. Perhaps you're thinking more border patrols, more searches, that'll stop it from getting through.... sure, essentially you're taking government tax money and handing it to a druglord.

More confiscations = less supply = higher prices = richer druglord. And do you reduce the number of users? Maybe... but you also raise crime levels. Higher prices turn more people to theft. Next thing you know, some jerk is breaking into YOUR car because he can't afford his habit now. Turning up the heat on the drug war accomplishes nothing but political 'toughness' at this point. Supply and demand will always be there.

It's demand-side that needs help, not supply-side. Stop doing your drugs and it'd all be over.

Riiiiiiight, let's wait for 390 million people to reach a 100% consensus to all not use drugs. Well hell, why leave the rest of the world out? Let's include all 6 billion people. That's a much more reasonable solution. Seeing as how you can get the DEATH PENALTY for murder, and people are still murdering, good luck with that.

What is *NOT* my tax-dollars well spent are people in hospitals draining medicare because they were shot by the police when they resisted arrest for dealing drugs.

So it's a better idea to spend 1000 dollars in prohibition on a regular basis than spend 1 dollar on hospitals draining medicare on a regular basis. Frankly, if both accomplish the same thing? I'd like to save 999x what health care would cost. If you're wondering where I get that from, it's about the amount of money it costs to reduce drug use by 1%. It's not 1000 dollars but it's 1000 times more. It's not like it's an equal amount. (Oh, and by the way, you're still paying for the drug users to drain medicare under prohibition, so guess what? You're paying anyway.)

I've seen MJ screw people up. It's really, truly sad.

Think about how much worse it would be if you poured 80 billion dollars more into the drug war.

Think about how much less worse it would have been for people if they could have gotten better in a hospital, draining medicare.

It's cheaper for you, and less screwed up for them

[sneakyhacker420]

Exactly why are you exempting alcohol as an intoxicant then? Because you -can- drink and not get drunk? But you hold that it isn't true for marijuana because you can't smoke and not get high?

Meaning what, if you take one drag off of a weak joint, you're automatically high beyond all control? Gee, why is everyone wasting their money and smoking in greater quantities? Reality is, one of the prohibitionist arguments themselves counters your theory. The DEA and such will tell you that as pot smokers build up a tolerance to marijuana, they 'need more and more of the drug to feel the effects.' Meaning it's not only possible to smoke and not get high, THEY BASE THEIR CLAIMS OF TOLERANCE AND ADDICTION ON IT. No, like Mango, you can't have it both ways. You can't hug your Budweiser and then go off about the evil intoxicating effects of pot.

aren't cigarettes and other drugs also addictive? i think so.

[bluepiz]

i think conine shut all the anti-marijuana people up.

[1stdeadeye]

Not Really

Not really. I am wasting my 2000th post on this.

I stopped responding here because those of you who are convinced they need/want/have a right to there pot no longer listen to any point that does not support your POV. So why should those of us who may no better bother responding? Ever wonder why they call pot dope, dope?

[ReTroMagBoy]

then how about this....give ONE legitimate reason JUST ONE to keep marijuana illegal that would work better if it werent legalized. and all us pro-MJ'ers will shutup.

i had to quit smoking like 1 1/2 weeks ago and im not sitting in a corner shaking thinking about some pot. in-fact, i feel no difference.

and to whoever was saying something about you can drink without getting "drunk" and u cant smoke without getting high....well if you werent a hypocrit and you have actually tried smoking MJ you would know that the so-called "high" is MUCH less intoxicating than alcohol or infact any other drug. IF i had to put the high of marijuana on level with alcohol i'd say its no more intoxicating than a 1oz. shot or two of some 80 proof liqour...and even then its pushing it. You cannot overdose on weed and you never really get any higher than you do once you began to feel the effects...no matter how much you smoke.

1st Deadeye- they dont say "you make an A$S out of assumptions" for no reason either