September 11... 1973?

[Albinonewt]

Actually, I think if you go back far enough in history you'll learn that a big part of the reason those settlements were founded there was their proximaty to the settlements that would one day become the United States. Simply because without the airplane getting commerce from one settlement to anohter wasn't as easy as it is now (to say the least).

And, not freezing to death in the winter probably had a certain level of appeal to those settlers as well.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Actually, I think if you go back far enough in history you'll learn that a big part of the reason those settlements were founded there was their proximaty to the settlements that would one day become the United States. Simply because without the airplane getting commerce from one settlement to anohter wasn't as easy as it is now (to say the least).

And, not freezing to death in the winter probably had a certain level of appeal to those settlers as well.

Sorry, you don't have a clue about history my friend. To prove me wrong, I humbly await even one major north-south pair of towns/cities that traded extensively with each other.

Trade went from the new country to the old. That is to say back to Europe. West-East not North-South.

Until Britain changed the rules favouring colonial products, and Canada subsequently federated to better compete and create internal markets, most commerce went back to the UK.

Extensive North-South trade is a much more recent phenomenon.

But then again, regardless of the reason of the initial founding of twons/settlements, the initial argument that the closeness of Canadians to the US border somehow constutes an underlying Canadian desire to BE American is still a crock of brown smelly fecal matter.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
Sorry, you don't have a clue about history my friend. To prove me wrong, I humbly await even one major north-south pair of towns/cities that traded extensively with each other.

So, it is your contention that proximaty from settlement to settlement had nothing to do with where the next one would be. That everything in one region wasn't connect in some manner or another?

An interesting theory


But then again, regardless of the reason of the initial founding of twons/settlements, the initial argument that the closeness of Canadians to the US border somehow constutes an underlying Canadian desire to BE American is still a crock of brown smelly fecal matter.

which i never said

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
I have never personally experienced the single payer health care system but I wouldn't want to. One of the very important reasons why it works in Canada (to any extent, and rational people can disagree to what extent it works) is the proximaty of American companies that do research. The single payer program stifles innovation in the field of medicine. That cirsumstance is mitigated by your next door neighbor doing all of the innovating for you. I would not want the system here, because we have no such luxury.

[Albinonewt]

Have you ever compared the money spent on health care research in Canada and the US? The reason Canadians can claim that their per patient costs are lower then America's is because they include our tremendeous research budget into the mix. Now, that's not saying that Canada sits and watches and waits for handouts, BUT, when you have subsidies and price controls that severly limits innovation.

[Albinonewt]

As for traded products, do Ship Timber, Furs, and Tobacco (since there were only places on earth in colonial days that grew tobacco) count?

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Have you ever compared the money spent on health care research in Canada and the US? The reason Canadians can claim that their per patient costs are lower then America's is because they include our tremendeous research budget into the mix. Now, that's not saying that Canada sits and watches and waits for handouts, BUT, when you have subsidies and price controls that severly limits innovation.

Purely your own conjecture and theory.
I would hope that the US spends at least 10 times as much as Canada. You have more than 10 times our population.
I've never seen any claim on per patient costs being lower. Usually you compare amount spent per capita. Not saved per patient.
The fact that major internatinal bio-pharma companies choose to set up in Canada, Britain, and elsewhere with nationalised health care proves your argument wrong. Innovation in bio-pharma is all about labour costs and the education level of the local employment market.
Nasty thing with health care is that the US pays about as much per capita on health care as Canada but a tiny minority get government insurance. Most of the money goes to the red tape of the insurance system. Then there's the fact that the marketing budgets of most drug companies is multiple times their reasearch budget (but that's the sad truth all over).
The only innovation a user pays/multiple insurer system encourages is rationing of service (HMOs) to those that need it or maximising service to those that don't but are insured for it.
At the drug company level, both systems have to buy drugs and supplies. So in both cases private companies are driven to compete for the business. The only huge advantage at that level is the single-payer system means that we Canadians get much better deals on our drugs because one purchaser negotiates for volume pricing.

[Albinonewt]

I suppose this is where you tell me how the great Canadian medical research industry has invented, what?

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
As for traded products, do Ship Timber, Furs, and Tobacco (since there were only places on earth in colonial days that grew tobacco) count?

Nope. Because that trade went to Europe.

Canadian supplies travelled the St-Lawrence, US supplies were brought to the east coast or through the Mississippi.

US trade may have passed through Montreal travelling down the St-lawrence before the colonial wars but certainly not after.

Montreal though was constructed because of it's strategic position an the St-Lawrence and the barrier of the rapids. Not because it was close to any American settlement.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by steveg
Immigration. I did read your link and follow what is being
said there.
To date fingers have been pointed at us on several occasions
and yet (for example the horror of 911) the
perpetrators did not in any instance come throught Canada
That is not to say that they couldn't
I pose you a question though. What proof is there that
we leak worse than your country (other than the words of
politicians, some of whom were the above mentioned finger-pointers)

Whoa, BS flag went up!

WHen did terrorists try and enter through Canada?

How about Massoui and the Millenium Bomber(Don't know his name, he was attempting to use a car bomb at LAX)?

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye

Whoa, BS flag went up!

WHen did terrorists try and enter through Canada?

How about Massoui and the Millenium Bomber(Don't know his name, he was attempting to use a car bomb at LAX)?

But the US is in absolutely no possition to question/blame Canada's immmigration policy. Even with that incident.

Remeber ALL of the 9/11 hijackers were living in the US with all the necessary visas and permissions. Clean up your own mess before telling us we should deal with ours.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


But the US is in absolutely no possition to question/blame Canada's immmigration policy. Even with that incident.

So even WITH all of our other problems if one or two terrorists enter through Canada we should just suck it up? I don't think so!

Remeber ALL of the 9/11 hijackers were living in the US with all the necessary visas and permissions. Clean up your own mess before telling us we should deal with ours.

Actually no they were not. That is how Massoiu was caught. He continually tried to enter the US illegally. Some of the other hijackers were here also illegally with forged ids, hence the 2 convictions so far for people for aiding the terrorists to obtain fake ids.

Maybe you should read more so you could make more accurate posts!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


It's unfortunate then that your take/opinions on Canadian/American relations put you firmly in the "fringers" category then isn't it.

at first I thought I cared about what you wrote, but then I realised it was only gas.

as for my link I posted on the geographics of canadian populations, I had ZERO problem finding the HARD numbers on that site.

I posted the link, you do the homework. or do I as an American once again have to do your jobs too?

[1stdeadeye]

In other words, the birthday boy (Facts) is saying:

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
as for my link I posted on the geographics of canadian populations, I had ZERO problem finding the HARD numbers on that site.

I posted the link, you do the homework. or do I as an American once again have to do your jobs too?

I have absolutely no issue with your numbers or the link you provided. It's the patently rediculous conclusions you draw from them that draws my contempt.