Arnold Wins!!!!!!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Zimbo
in 1990 wasnt bush's dad presidente?

I said the 1990s as in the decade. Clinton was President for MOST of that decade was he not!

[shartley]

Originally posted by Zimbo
in 1990 wasnt bush's dad presidente?

And that has what to do with the arguments presented?

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
A democrat wants no new taxes, they just disagree where to cut the budget in order to do so.

Bustamante's whole economic plan was for $8 billion in new taxes. His only idea was to riase taxes.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Curly
Im fairly certain that Bush went to Yale and not harvard.

Could be, I always forget.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
HE HAD TO. It is California Law to have a balanced budget or something to that effect. You have a piss poor economy, you have to do something. Riley the Governor of Alabama just tried to raise the taxes 1.2 billion dollars in Alabama. Want to take a guess at what party he is in.

He didn't have to. He increased spending by double digit percentages every year he was in office. If he hadn't done that there wouldn't have been a problem in the first place.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy


Two years ago it did, right around a time frame we like to call 9/11. Yes, the economy was performing poorly. It was due to a lot of factors, most of which were out of Bush's hands. For instance the single largest terrorist attack in our history that specifically targeted our financial markets. Also the corporate fraud that was a result of Clinton's cash limitations on executive compensation was a big problem. Today though the market closed at about it's highest point in 18 monthes and new job claims are down to their lowest level since Feb.

Again you are trying to place the blame on one thing when the blame resides on many things.

When you show me where Davis had to deal with completely unexpected events that were outside of his control AND then turned it around I'll give him his due. But none of that is true. He caused his problem and he did nothing to fix it.

[mag-hatter]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


HE HAD TO. It is California Law to have a balanced budget or something to that effect. You have a piss poor economy, you have to do something. Riley the Governor of Alabama just tried to raise the taxes 1.2 billion dollars in Alabama. Want to take a guess at what party he is in.

oh boy! one example! i can tell you that every democrat in office wants to raise taxes up the wazoo. no chance are you going to win this argument. if you have a piss poor economy, its because peopla are not spending money because they dont have any money so why tax them to the extent of having....well.....EVEN LESS MONEY. god i hate the left

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Fool!

The stock market collapse began in Mar 2000! Bush took office in Jan 2001! Bush inherited the mess. The seeds for the corporate scandals all date back into the 1990s. Who was president then? Oh yeah, not Bush!

By the way the US Economy is turning around now. Unemployment figures released today show a substantial drop in claims.

You are a tool!

I said since the end of his term. READ. I didn't say since the beginning of Bush's term.

And no democrats are not all for raising taxes, sometimes they find it necessary, but not all the time.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Hasn't the economy hit the bottom of the US recently? Since the end of Clinton’s term the economy has been going down and down and down.

You words exactly and you are wrong. The economy was going down BEFORE the end of Clinton's second term! This downturn began in CLinton's term and Bush inherited it! Now the economy has actually been growing for the past few quarters. The jobs and spending are finally catching up to the recovery.

BTW who was the last Democatic President to cut taxes?

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Steelrat
Maybe its just me, but I would prefer that someone who fared better than mid-pack at his college be President. If the President exhibited some sort of natural brilliance in his actions, I might be inclined to overlook this, but he has not done so yet (granted, thats just my opinion). No, I didn't go to Harvard, but I maintained a 4.0 GPA in college while working full-time and raising a family. If I didn't have to work, and I had gone to Harvard on someone else's dime, I think a "C" would not have been too difficult.

um if Bush DID did do a little columbian marching powder AND got a C average at harvard at the same time, I'm still impressed...

[joker4hire]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

A democrat wants no new taxes, they just disagree where to cut the budget in order to do so.

Maybe "moderate" democrats, but not the kooks at Sacramento.

Originally posted by Collegeboy

And no democrats are not all for raising taxes, sometimes they find it necessary, but not all the time.

Some of the taxes the left wing kook democrats tried to pass in California during Davis' first term.

- Soda Tax (have an extra tax on top of CRV (California redemption value) to help pay for all the fat kids who drink soda.

- SUV Tax (tax SUV's and vans because they use more fuel per mile and add to global warming)

- Diaper Tax (tax to help pay for waste?)

Originally posted by Collegeboy

HE HAD TO. It is California Law to have a balanced budget or something to that effect. You have a piss poor economy, you have to do something. Riley the Governor of Alabama just tried to raise the taxes 1.2 billion dollars in Alabama. Want to take a guess at what party he is in.

During his second term he tried to raise the car tax VLF, but it didn't pass the senate (and the public outcry), so he used the trigger mechanism instead to take blame away from him...

It is really simple... the left wing kook democrats really messed up... they totally overspent trying to make California a socialist state... plus Busta-mecha's hidden agenda of trying to turn California back to a Mexican state. Which both America and Mexcian-America were against (proved by the voting results). California can't pay healthcare and education for both citizens... plus they are promoting illegal immagration by giving driver licenses and other benefits... to illegals?!! WTF?!

This is the guy you are defending... I'm trying to figure out why....?

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
BTW who was the last Democatic President to cut taxes?

JFK.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
BTW who was the last Democatic President to cut taxes?

Be fair, Clinton did (although he had little to do with it, the Republicans forced it on him).

So did Kennedy.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
And no democrats are not all for raising taxes, sometimes they find it necessary, but not all the time.

I've watched every democratic debate so far, and the tax debate isn't about whether or not to repeal the tax cut, but whether or not to repeal the entire thing. Bustmante's whole plan was to raise taxes. Davis's plan was to raise taxes. There isn't a single democratic dandidate anywhere these days that doesn't want to raise taxes (especially on the "wealthy")

[MrWallen]

Just in case anyone cares, Davis did not initiate the car tax, it was always there. Its just that before everyone got a rebate so they didn't have to pay as much, but there was a law that said if the economy went into the dumps then the rebate stopped.

So you see, there never was or is a car tax, just a car rebate that we no longer get.

And the whole rebate thing was initiated by Davis' predecessor (forgot name).