Womd

[Miscue]

Originally posted by paintballguy429
You suggested that if we didn't invade Iraq, it was very possible that another 9/11 could take place. Of course, you didn't bother to actually support it, but I guess that's ok since your a mod

Show me the quote where I said that.

[1stdeadeye]

Re: omg miscue just get out of this thread

Originally posted by paintballguy429
No, 1stdeadeye argued that Hussein has used WOMD in the past. That is not true even under the Bush definition.

Weapons of Mass Destruction=Chemical, Biological, or Nuclear weapons.

Saddam used poison gas (a form of chemical warfare) on the Kurds in the 80s. Ergo Saddam used WoMD!

You is:

[aaron_mag]

There is no reason to get so personal and insulting to each other. Lets face it NONE of us has any actual control on foriegn policy so we are debating opinions and not what will actually happen.

Miscue obviously doesn't see things the same way I do but that doesn't mean he is not entitled to post his opinion. I see what Miscue is saying which is does it matter how he killed the Kurds? The fact is he killed them and was a horrible tyrant. Once again the debate becomes if this was an imminent threat to the U.S. or not.

Now lets talk about the Palestinian issue. One of the dumbest things about our post 9/11 foriegn policy is that we basically gave Israel the freedom to use whatever military means they want. All they have to do is say that they are doing the war on terror thing and we can't protest it at all. As if they don't already have enough support from us (one thing 1stdeadeye and I agree on is the insane amount of foriegn aid we give to Israel which is not even a third world country). The message needs to be sent to Israel that the rules we set for ourselves are different than the rules that we set for them. With all the aid we give them they are supposed to be our lap dog which sits when we say sit not the other way around!

The sad thing is how these threads keep popping up. We have rehashed this dozens of time and no one has changed their opinions.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
one thing 1stdeadeye and I agree on is the insane amount of foriegn aid we give to Israel which is not even a third world country

True! We give away far too much money without enough strings attached!!!

You want our money and then want to spit in our face? Fine spit away, but then starve because you're not getting a dime of my money then!

[Miscue]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


True! We give away far too much money without enough strings attached!!!

You want our money and then want to spit in our face? Fine spit away, but then starve because you're not getting a dime of my money then!

Agreed.

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by Miscue


Show me the quote where I said that.

Originally posted by Albinonewt:

Again. The point isn't that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. The point is that 9/11 is the kind of thing that happens when we're complacent and unprepared.

Originally posted by Miscue:

Bingo.

[-Carnifex-]

Deadeye you can't deny that Israel is also at fault (I'm not saying I support Palestine either.), can you?

[Collegeboy]

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by paintballguy429


Originally posted by Albinonewt:

Again. The point isn't that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. The point is that 9/11 is the kind of thing that happens when we're complacent and unprepared.

Originally posted by Miscue:

Bingo.

And this says another attack is likely without our invading Iraq how?

It says complacency could lead to another attack.

Let me use a famous CollegeBoy quote,"Please read what was posted"!

[paintballguy429]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


And this says another attack is likely without our invading Iraq how?

It says complacency could lead to another attack.

Let me use a famous CollegeBoy quote,"Please read what was posted"!

Yes, and he said that in a thread discussing the legitimacy of a war. My god, think about it.

[Miscue]

<img src="http://www.klauswilleke.de/nyc_world_trade_center_attack_09-11-01_1_small.jpg"> + "BINGO" =

"Give me proof that Hussein had ties with the terrorists who orchestrated 9/11? Or was Iraq responsible for 9/11 simply because they are Arab Muslims? Honestly, show me some proof."

"Miscue, that is probably the worst thing I have ever seen anyone post. How dare you use the deaths of over 2,000 people in order to justify an event that has nothing to do with them. How dare you trivialize their deaths."

"As for Miscue, you know that your 9/11 post was just pathetic, so now your trying to play little games with everyone? You know Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but you do know whenever you mention it and wave the flag you can get all yur little brainwashed patriot warhawks to come to your aid."

"You post a picture that can be said to be trivializing the deaths of the 911 victims, and using their deaths to back your need of violence (though I do not think that is the case). Nothing happens to you."

"I could care less what I think your picture meant, for if say it is meant as this, I will agree with you. For you posted it not me."

"You suggested that if we didn't invade Iraq, it was very possible that another 9/11 could take place. Of course, you didn't bother to actually support it, but I guess that's ok since your a mod"
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It's a good thing I didn't say two words on the topic in question... and I can't imagine if I had completed a sentence!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by -Carnifex-
Deadeye you can't deny that Israel is also at fault (I'm not saying I support Palestine either.), can you?

I thought we never debated!

I never claimed the high gorund for either! You can not compare suicide bombers to battlefield casualties. Yes innocents are hurt in combat, but the difference is that the Israelis might hurt bystanders, they did not target them!!!!!

The Palestinians are targeting civilians.

There is plenty of blame to go around. I feel that the Palestinians get more then 50% of it though for their suicide bombing campaigns.

If the Palestinians stopped the suicide attacks, they could try to regain the high ground, but they won't end.

The whole situation over there sucks all the way around!

[-Carnifex-]

I totally agree. I wasn't trying to get into a debate with you by the way.

Still, I've seen reports (none that I could find, mind you) of Israeli soldiers murdering civies at checkpoints.

In one case a relative of my mom's friend witnessed a pregant women's way to the hospital barred.

I say we just nuke everyone.

[Miscue]

Ha... if MacArthur got his way, maybe NK would be a non-issue today.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Well 1de, using your definition of WOMD, I would say the US the last time they fired the A10's 30 mm Vulcan cannon with depleted Uranium (Something clearly against the UN resolutions) would be the last one to use a WOMD. How about Russia when they used a nerve agent in the Moscow Theater to subdue the terrorist, how about local police when they use tear gas.

WRONG! Depleted uranium is not a banned weapon. Nor is it covered by any UN resolution. The only thing it covers is the M1 Abrams Tank!

Tear gas is not a banned substance either. It is clearly not INTENDED to be lethal.

The alleged nerve agent in Russia was also not intended to be lethal. It was intended to disable and allow the apprehension of the Chechnyan terrorists.

Remember WoMD are intended to kill! You are sighting instances that do not fit!

I wonder what role the US played in the gassing of the Kurds during the Iraqi/Iran war, in which the US supported Iraq. I wonder why Navy Seals were dressed up in Iraqi uniforms and caring on strategic assaults against Iran.

Two different issues. Show me proof that we aided in the gassing of the Kurds.....Though so!

As for the Seals, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Iraq was an ally of convienence.

As to who attacked who first, I would say when God told the Israelis to kill all the Palestinians that the Israelis started it. But oh well.

Your source is?
Did God tell you this?


Both sides are at fault. The Palestinians are congregated into camps where their living conditions are horrendous even by third world conditions. They are forced to go through check points and maybe get to work. They are treated like dogs, if that good. They do not have jets, or missiles like the Israelis do. They use terrorism as their only choice. Which despite popular opinion it is just as valid of a form of warfare as the classic idea of war. Civilians die in war, the US and Britain intently targeted civilians in WWII, (tornados of fire of Hamburg, walls of flame over Tokyo). Why, because it is war. Ever since Sherman’s march to the sea, war has involved civilians in the depths that it is today. Until Israel stops their occupation of the lands outside their 1948 partition, they will be continually at fault in the eyes of the world.

Israel can keep everything but the West Bank and Gaza. They have every right to annex what they conquered, or should the US give Texas back to Mexico?

As to the rest, very biased. Maybe you should ask the Israeli's how they feel watching their countryman being blown up like animals.

Two sides to every story buddy!