Michael Moore is being sued!

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by einhander619
Ok, ok, I'll back off, just take solace in the fact that I'm the shining beacon of reason in this sea of rainbows and vegan dog treats!

TRAITOR!!!! You dare to call yourself a northwesterner and yet have not started eating tofu hotdogs while protesting bringing major league baseball to Portland? What is the matter with you!!!!

Now lets get serious. I finally saw Bowling for Columbine and it was interesting. I hope that guy doesn't get ANY money. He is a NUT and more unpatriotic than anyone with whom you violently disagree with on this board. His brother used terrorism AGAINST his OWN country. He is nothing like the brother of the Unabomber who was against everything that his brother stood for. That guy is crazy.

Now as for Michael Moore I thought what he did to Heston was total BS. The guy had the decency to invite him into his home without an appointment and he ambushes him. Furthermore Heston DID NOT kill that poor little girl. To leave that picture there as if he was directly responsible was also BS.

What was interesting, however, was that Moore did not seem to appear that the cause was guns. His argument claimed that Canada also has tons of guns but does not have the "culture of fear" thing. It is an interesting notion but I have no idea if there is any truth behind it. What do you Canadians think?

[Sooky]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
His argument claimed that Canada also has tons of guns but does not have the "culture of fear" thing. It is an interesting notion but I have no idea if there is any truth behind it. What do you Canadians think?

I've never really worried about guns, but I think that would depend on what part of Canada your talking about. Growing up in a rural area I didn't fear guns - I feared bears and cougars. Now living in the city I fear my neighbours. A couple weeks ago a guy got shot in the back outside my girlfriends work. Canada isn't exactly immune to it.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Sooky

I've never really worried about guns, but I think that would depend on what part of Canada your talking about. Growing up in a rural area I didn't fear guns - I feared bears and cougars. Now living in the city I fear my neighbours. A couple weeks ago a guy got shot in the back outside my girlfriends work. Canada isn't exactly immune to it.

There you have it! Straight from the horse's mouth. I guess the Utopian society to the north is another rainbow bridge (all beauty and no substance).

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
What was interesting, however, was that Moore did not seem to appear that the cause was guns. His argument claimed that Canada also has tons of guns but does not have the "culture of fear" thing. It is an interesting notion but I have no idea if there is any truth behind it. What do you Canadians think?

And do you know why he says that Aaron?

Because no matter how much Michael Moore hates guns, he hates America more.

If the violence was caused by guns that would be good, but it's better for him that it's caused simply by the fact that we're American.

He hates us

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


And do you know why he says that Aaron?

Because no matter how much Michael Moore hates guns, he hates America more.

If the violence was caused by guns that would be good, but it's better for him that it's caused simply by the fact that we're American.

He hates us

Michael Moore IS an American. I'm not a big fan of Michael Moore but lets look at the way "conservatives" attack people with different opinions. The answer is simply, "He hates America. He can't stand the country of his birth."

Why is it when people went after Clinton for being an adulter and a liar (and yes he was both) you didn't hear his supporters screaming that those people that were against him "hated America". That it was all a conspiracy to make America look bad? Because people with an intelligent and rational mind (and I do believe that you have one despite your different beliefs from myself) can accept that someone can be anti-Clinton but pro American.

Why is it that people who were not big supporter of Madeline Albright's war (Kosovo) were not people who "hated America". People could accept that they had a different opinion not that they "hated America". The "they hate America" rhetoric is old, tired, boring, simplistic, defensive, and stupid. Time to break out some new refreshing arguments that actually have a point to them. Sorry for the rant but I think it is a valid point.....

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
Carnifex, here's a great example

Article

When talking about the Iraqi culture in a negative light they just had th throw the word conservative in there. Never mind that the Iraqi Muslims are not conservatives in any where near the sense that AMerican readers are accumstomed to. They just wanted to equate conservatism with this incident of intolerance.

I didn't like the font so I didn't bother reading it, but I'll take your word for it.

What it boils down to is you have to be ignorant in order to be affected by its propaganda.

[mcveighr]

Because no matter how much Michael Moore hates guns

FYI- I've read many of Moore's books and I cant recall any time that he ever said he hated guns or suggested that they were the causes for the deaths. He might not like assault style weapons or "sporting" guns that have like 40 cartridge clips, but he isnt against guns.

About the Heston comment, he decided to have NRA meetings a week after the shooting of a child! He could have easily cancelled it considering how made the parents would be but did he? No!

And about the violence in Canada, of course we're not immune but we have no where near the gun related deaths that the US has. I can only think of 2 murders that have happened in my lifetime here in my city which has a pop. of 100,000+ not incredible large but we're not talking rural. And only one of those was gun related, about 7 years back.

And as for my position I am not entirely sure yet. I am 17 and we have a family store that until the recent gun laws sold very many guns, we also have a collection of 70+ rifles, shotguns, pistols, and antique firearms. I have also shot skeet and trap and found it enjoyable. But on the other side I am against the death of innocent people and do believe that if guns we're restricted to only the military than there would be many less robberys and deaths.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by mcveighr

About the Heston comment, he decided to have NRA meetings a week after the shooting of a child! He could have easily cancelled it considering how made the parents would be but did he? No!

First off have you ever organized a convention? Have you ever tried to plan the logistics for thousands of people? No!

Heston did not just throw a meeting there. Denver was selected and planned for a year in advance. Heston also was largely ceremonial. Wayne LaPierre is the true head of the NRA. The NRA did scale down the trade show and convention costing many vendors a lot of money in defference to the families of COlumbine.

So before you speak, learn your facts. Had the NRA canceled they still would have been obligated to pay or the Denver Exposition Authority would have sued them for performance of the contract.

Jeesh!

[mcveighr]

No I haven't have you?

And the NRA is a multi-million dollar organization, I am positive that they could easily of cancelled or delayed and the Denver Exposition Authority and the vendors might've been able to let it slide considering people had just died.

[tony emerson]

YEA looky at this not too many guns in Canada but there seems to be more crime per/cap.

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OH but we look at just total # not per cap I am not saying that the US has it all right but weird that how easy it is to break into a house if the odds are they cant/dont have a gun!

[Collegeboy]

They are talking about murders that involve guns or just murders plainly, not rapes, frauds, or burglaries.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_wit_fir_cap

[billybob_81067]

In my humble American Opinion...

I watched the movie Bowling for Columbine in a college class of mine, and I don't think I have ever seen a bigger hypocrite than Michael Moore.

Even in the movie when he goes to Canada, he shows and tells that most Canadians have/own guns, yet their crime rate is nil compared to ours. Then he finishes up the movie by making guns look like these horrible items that are causing the destruction of America... something seems a bit fishy here.

Humans are violent. That's it, there's no further explanation needed. If we didn't have guns we'd use our bare hands, lead pipes, baseball bats, knives, rocks, etc... but you don't see people trying to outlaw all of those items.

In my opinion everyone should be required to take firearm education classes in elementary school, and everyone over the age of 18 should be REQUIRED to carry a gun on their person at all times. Just think about it. If everyone had a gun, who would be crazy enough to try to rob someone? Or if everyone aboard the planes on September 11th had firearms, those terrorists wouldn't have lasted 20 seconds, and thousands of lives would have been saved.

Another thing is that most gun deaths that occur usually involve gangs, and other such low-life beings that I think America could live without. If these people are stupid enough to kill their own kind off, then so be it. Of course it's a crying shame that innocent people occassionally get hurt, but it's not all that often.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it...

[tony emerson]

My point is that crime in general does not seem to go down at all with absence of firearms like people would like to believe but it would seem to go up. Canada is a much better place to live if you don't like people to have access to handguns. If you have a problem the cops better get to where you are fast because you wont be able to legally defend yourself with a gun but i bet the guy robbing you might just not care that all guns are outlawed and decide to keep one

[Collegeboy]

Re: In my humble American Opinion...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by billybob_81067
I watched the movie Bowling for Columbine in a college class of mine, and I don't think I have ever seen a bigger hypocrite than Michael Moore.

Even in the movie when he goes to Canada, he shows and tells that most Canadians have/own guns, yet their crime rate is nil compared to ours. Then he finishes up the movie by making guns look like these horrible items that are causing the destruction of America... something seems a bit fishy here.

Humans are violent. That's it, there's no further explanation needed. If we didn't have guns we'd use our bare hands, lead pipes, baseball bats, knives, rocks, etc... but you don't see people trying to outlaw all of those items.

In my opinion everyone should be required to take firearm education classes in elementary school, and everyone over the age of 18 should be REQUIRED to carry a gun on their person at all times. Just think about it. If everyone had a gun, who would be crazy enough to try to rob someone? Or if everyone aboard the planes on September 11th had firearms, those terrorists wouldn't have lasted 20 seconds, and thousands of lives would have been saved.

Another thing is that most gun deaths that occur usually involve gangs, and other such low-life beings that I think America could live without. If these people are stupid enough to kill their own kind off, then so be it. Of course it's a crying shame that innocent people occassionally get hurt, but it's not all that often.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it... [/QUOTE

If everyone carried a gun on them at all times imagine how fast everyone would die. Could you imagine walking down a street and accidentally bumping into someone and he turns around and shoots you instead of the customary hit you would normally receive form someone in this state of mind.

That has got to be the worst thing in the world that I have ever heard.

In his movie, Moore tries to see why the US has a higher murder rate per capita with guns then other countries who has the same amount of guns, more guns, or just under us in amount of guns. He even own some guns as he has admitted many times. Not one time in that movie did he say guns should be banned.

This is just another case of people trying to make something out of something that is not there.

On another note, I love the whole we have the right to own a gun mentality. Someone needs to do some research of military history in the colonial period and relate it to today.

[billybob_81067]

Re: Re: In my humble American Opinion...

Originally posted by Collegeboy
If everyone carried a gun on them at all times imagine how fast everyone would die. Could you imagine walking down a street and accidentally bumping into someone and he turns around and shoots you instead of the customary hit you would normally receive form someone in this state of mind.

That has got to be the worst thing in the world that I have ever heard.

You may think that my idea is bad, but the whole bumping into someone and getting shot has to be the worst thing I have ever heard....

When was the last time you got the crap beat out of you for accidentally bumping into someone?

Turn this over in your mind for a bit... if everone on that same crowded street had a gun then after that guy pulled a gun on the person who "bumped into him" (which wouldn't ever happen, because it has to be one of the worst applications to a situation I have ever heard of...) then he would end up surrounded by probably at least 5-10 people at gunpoint. The cops would then arrive and calmly take him away to undoubtedly be convicted of murder.

Also your quote of "think of how fast everyone would die" makes me believe that you think guns = death. I strongly disagree... I am constantly surrounded by guns. We have over 10 firearms in this household, my neighbor has at least 25 or so including a couple AK's SKS's and other assualt rifles, and guess what!!!! I've never killed anyone, he's never killed anyone, no one has killed him, and I'm still alive... so being surrounded by these guns has not caused our immediate deaths. This causes me to believe that guns are an object and tool no different than the computer you are spewing your ignorance with, or the milling machines that our beloved paintball guns are made upon.

In the famous words of John Stossel, "GIVE ME A BREAK!"