Michael Moore is being sued!

[billybob_81067]

Re: Re: In my humble American Opinion...

Originally posted by Collegeboy
If everyone carried a gun on them at all times imagine how fast everyone would die.

Sorry.... there were so many things to bash about your post that I had to start a second post.

I can't imagine how fast everyone would die... could you, in your infinate wisdom, please calculate that for us? I'd like to see how you obtain the information for your calculations... most likely out of the same b.s. bag that you pulled your previous post.

As you can plainly see, I don't take this matter lightly... if my rights are ever at stake it will definately be, "Over my cold dead body."

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by mcveighr
No I haven't have you?

And the NRA is a multi-million dollar organization, I am positive that they could easily of cancelled or delayed and the Denver Exposition Authority and the vendors might've been able to let it slide considering people had just died.

There's a lot more involved in those things then just waking up one morning and saying "Gee, I'm supposed to have that convention tomorrow, but I'd rather go fishing, maybe next week".

Don't forget, that probably thousands of people had planned to go to that convention. THey had rented cars, taken time off work, reserved hotels, and paid for non-refundable tickets. Now, it is certainly true that the convention made the parents feel bad, but the NRA had thousands of members to think of, and pulling the plug just isn't that simple.

They would surely have lost whatever money they had invested in renting the site, would have to get in line to find a new day, repay for the site, reprint banners and mailers with the convention dates, and a host of other things. You don't just reschedule the week before.

[Albinonewt]

Re: In my humble American Opinion...

Originally posted by billybob_81067
I watched the movie Bowling for Columbine in a college class of mine, and I don't think I have ever seen a bigger hypocrite than Michael Moore.

OUt of curiousity, since your professor saw fit to show you all the ultra left wing version of the facts, did he ever show you anything from the other perspective? An NRA video perhaps?

Just curious

[Albinonewt]

Re: Re: In my humble American Opinion...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy
If everyone carried a gun on them at all times imagine how fast everyone would die. Could you imagine walking down a street and accidentally bumping into someone and he turns around and shoots you instead of the customary hit you would normally receive form someone in this state of mind.

First, carrying a gun doesn't automatically turn people in psychos that love to kill. Nearly everyone has hands, but we don't all go around punching each other everytime we get annoyed.

Second, onc eyou realize that everyone on the street could be strapped you stop thinking it's such a hot idea to just start blasting.

Third, it has been factually proven that towns were it is widely accepted that everyone is packing have a dramtically reduced crime rate. Criminals just know now to mess with people.

Now, having said that, I wouldn't require everyone to have a gun, but I would allow all functioning members of scoeit to have one if they wanted.

That has got to be the worst thing in the world that I have ever heard.

You say that all the time

In his movie, Moore tries to see why the US has a higher murder rate per capita with guns then other countries who has the same amount of guns, more guns, or just under us in amount of guns. He even own some guns as he has admitted many times. Not one time in that movie did he say guns should be banned.

No, but for anyone paying attention to Moore he is saying, quite clearly, that he hates AMerica. You just aren't paying attention.

This is just another case of people trying to make something out of something that is not there.

His movie was a tissue of lies and deceit. There's no denying it, it has been demostrated on this forum more times then I can count.

On another note, I love the whole we have the right to own a gun mentality. Someone needs to do some research of military history in the colonial period and relate it to today.

I love it too. THat's why I own dozens of them. Care to try and take em' from me?

[FactsOfLife]

Re: Re: In my humble American Opinion...

Originally posted by Collegeboy


If everyone carried a gun on them at all times imagine how fast everyone would die. Could you imagine walking down a street and accidentally bumping into someone and he turns around and shoots you instead of the customary hit you would normally receive form someone in this state of mind.

That has got to be the worst thing in the world that I have ever heard.

In his movie, Moore tries to see why the US has a higher murder rate per capita with guns then other countries who has the same amount of guns, more guns, or just under us in amount of guns. He even own some guns as he has admitted many times. Not one time in that movie did he say guns should be banned.

This is just another case of people trying to make something out of something that is not there.

On another note, I love the whole we have the right to own a gun mentality. Someone needs to do some research of military history in the colonial period and relate it to today.

I have to go to work but I'll deal with this pile of nonsense later...

[shartley]

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by mcveighr
No I haven't have you?

And the NRA is a multi-million dollar organization, I am positive that they could easily of cancelled or delayed and the Denver Exposition Authority and the vendors might've been able to let it slide considering people had just died.

Not for thousands but for 400. It is not easy. I planned it almost 8 months in advance. Once you sign the contract with the hosting convention center you are paying whether you want to or not. Not to mention the hotel reservations and plane tickets purchased.

They could not easily have canceled or rescheduled. It would have cost them millions. Why don't you check with Denver to see how much money the NRA convention generated.

As for letting them slide out of it, LOL. It is a business. For the money the city would have lost, they would not have let the NRA out of it.

[aaron_mag]

Okay some of you are terrifying me. The streets would be safer if EVERYONE over the age of 18 was required to carry a gun so we could all administer street justice when the need arose. I'd hate to see what sort of measures the cops had to use to quell riots in that scenario. I hope you guys are trying to be funny because some of these comments are just plain dumb!

I'm not against guns. My father has a 100 acre farm where he and my brother shoot (AK-47, Beretta, Markov Pistol (this one is my Dad's favorite and he gave one to me for either a birthday or christmas), AR-15, plus everything inbetween). At the same time, however, some of you sound a wee bit paranoid........

[Konigballer]

First off, I love guns. Check my sig, but I'm with you aaron. The idea of just about every able bodied citizen over 18 carrying guns is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. I mean, it worked so well in the "old west" And god knows we're alot more prone to violence than back then, plus the fact that firearm technology has progressed. We shoot each other over the littlest things in this country, over clothes, over fender benders, you name it. I love guns but I know a huge percentage of the population has no need carrying one at all. People are just to wound up and quick to react with violence. Not everyone with a firearm is as responsible as 1stdeadeye, albinonewt, and anyone else I left out.

If everyone owned guns the average american citizen would know about how their gun functioned, and the inherent responsibility that goes with owning one, about as much as they know about how their suv works...next to nothing. They would probably only learn some rudamentry basics and keep it in their closet for about a year at a time. Then one day when they actually needed it, and they would with every moron on the road having one, they either would have left it at home or would'nt even be able to work the safety with their frantically shaking hands and end up getting shot.

Being proficient and skilled with firearms requires continuous training on the range over years. If you guys think that even 25% of the population would be willing or able to take that time out of their already busy schedule to do that then you guys are just plain lying to yourselves. We'd just end up with an even bigger country full of morons armed to the teeth and with no responsability but a whole lot of temper. The "you know what" would hit the fan on the nightly news as soon as some high strung office worker spilled his hot cappuccino all over himself cause the person in front of him made an abrupt stop for a red light. His ample use of the finger would be replaced by ten rounds of smooth 9mm goodness.

I cant wait to live in this wonderfull "guntopia" america you guys talk about Hopefully my kids would live to reach highschool.

[Lopy-slopy]

You're kidding right? Want to take a guess as to how many people are killed in this country on the roads every year? Want to compare it to so called gun deaths? Gun deaths that invariably include such stats as homocides by gang members, gun deaths committed in the acts of robbery or car jackings? The gun control lobby wants to get rid of all private firearm ownership in this country. Their big rallying cry is that too many kids are getting killed. Now the anti gun lobby would have you belive that a child is anyone under the age of 21. What nonsense. Last I checked, legal age in this country was 18. But even IF we give them benefit of the doubt and say 21, car deaths in auto accidents FAR outnumber gun deaths by ANY means in this country.

It doesn't matter if cars kill more people. Car are a big part of our society and a very useful part. gun only kill and maim, skeet and target practise is just practise for killing and maiming. It doesn't matter wither the "child" who dies is 18 or 21. it's still a person who died. If guns were gone from america, their would be no gun deaths, and that would mean ALOT less people would die. I know that would never happen, but you can always cut down on the number of people who have them.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Okay some of you are terrifying me. The streets would be safer if EVERYONE over the age of 18 was required to carry a gun so we could all administer street justice when the need arose. I'd hate to see what sort of measures the cops had to use to quell riots in that scenario. I hope you guys are trying to be funny because some of these comments are just plain dumb!

I am definitely not for everyone carrying guns. If they did, that moron that cut me off could shoot back.

[Lopy-slopy]

If everybody caried guns, america would be a freking mad house. Think of what would happend in somebody was say, steeling some old lady's purse. At lest one guy is gonna step up and be the hero by trying to shoot the guy. If it's a busy street, he's probibly gonna hit some other people before he hits the bad guy. say they hit your girlfriend, you get mad and fire back at that guy, you hit someone else, and so on and so forth. it would be hell.

[mcveighr]

ditto

[shartley]

[Marek]

Re: In my humble American Opinion...

Originally posted by billybob_81067
In my opinion everyone should be required to take firearm education classes in elementary school, and everyone over the age of 18 should be REQUIRED to carry a gun on their person at all times. Just think about it. If everyone had a gun, who would be crazy enough to try to rob someone? Or if everyone aboard the planes on September 11th had firearms, those terrorists wouldn't have lasted 20 seconds, and thousands of lives would have been saved.

Another thing is that most gun deaths that occur usually involve gangs, and other such low-life beings that I think America could live without. If these people are stupid enough to kill their own kind off, then so be it. Of course it's a crying shame that innocent people occassionally get hurt, but it's not all that often.

Okies, well, were to begin. In most states, the first programs to cut are the arts, because they are seen as unnecessary. Now you want to add Firearm Education to an already limited budget? Nice. Now maybe you mean a series of lectures (good luck) or a presentation. I would love to see some guy come over to my school and teach my kids (Pre-K to 5th) that guns are bad. Wait, they do do that. They also teach they how drugs and alcohol and cigaretts are bad. Does this seem to stop smoking, drunk driving or drug use? Nope.

Now, I personally don't use guns and would not want to carry one. I have no problem with others carrying hand guns in anyway. I do have a problem though with someone owning a SMP 5 for "recreational use." And if people were walking around with these guns, you're damn right I would be scared. I would also be scared if said person was on the Sept. 11th plane. One shot to the hull and cabin pressure is bye bye.