U.S. Bars War Opponents....

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

[vf-xx]

Originally posted by Curly
Why should companies suffer because of the actions of their governments? Say you own a construction company in france and supported the war. Why is it that you should suffer simply because of actions taken by your government? No matter who does the work, the money for it will all come from the same source. Why not use he most qualified contractors to do it. Whether they be from the US or France or even Uganda for that matter. It shouldnt make a difference.

I'm not sure that it's been quite stated this way, but most major companies choose where they're headquartered these days. While on the short term they can't controll what happens in the counrnty that they reside, they did choose that country for some reasons.

It's all a matter of making a choice and living with the consequences. Too many people/contries these days are trying to avoid responsibility for their actions or inactions. I'll not comment on what's right or wrong, but its more of a matter of what just is.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

Will never happen... public policy has always seemed to follow public suport for it hence a democracy. Simply put the american people won't allow it.

We gotta stop with these ridiculous conspiracy theories. The truth is nobody can perdict anything with the hundreds of theories that have been thrown around not one of them mimics the course of events as it plays out now.

The truth is people beleive what they want to beleive if you want to believe your own theory be my guest... it just dosent fit reality and the dynamics of american politics.

America isnt socialist or communist like former USSR. People in america voice thier opinions with relative impunity. Of course freedom of speech is a 2 way street if you say somthing contriversial dont expect people not to react.

Additionaly public officals MUST remain in popular support to keep thier jobs, if it isn't in the public's intrest don't worry there will be change.

Just cause the majority of the people in this country don't agree with you dosent mean we are not "aware" of what you want to belive. It just means that given the circumstances we rather base our opinions on the events we KNOW are happening rather than one of the HUNDREDS of contrived theories which are historically proven to be unlikely to happen.

[ASDadam]

Why should company's suffer for their countries actions?

Why should our men and women continue to die because of the cowardice of the said nations not sending troops to support our men and women.

[-Carnifex-]

Re: U.S. Bars War Opponents....

Originally posted by Southpaw
U.S. Bars war Opponents From Bidding on Work In Iraq
Well, now that it is relatively safe and you (U. S.) are going to protect us we want to be in Iraq to help rebuild it and take the U.S. $$$. No we did/will not send our troops to help you. What you wont let us lets cry to the UN now!

How would they be taking the US's money?

[Rooster]

Maybe you didn't hear about the 80 odd billion we are dropping into Iraq. This is one place I have to disagree with the Bush administration. We should never have spent this money on Iraq. We should have forced them to pay for rebuilding their country.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Rooster
Maybe you didn't hear about the 80 odd billion we are dropping into Iraq. This is one place I have to disagree with the Bush administration. We should never have spent this money on Iraq. We should have forced them to pay for rebuilding their country.

Should have been a loan. Or partial loan.

[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


Should have been a loan. Or partial loan.

then how the hell do you expect them to get on their feet?

we came into their land and took it over, we owe them at least that much to rebuild their country. we can't do this half-assed. If we do, we're just going to make a worse place and we're going to have to pull out......blah blah blah..

we have to spend money and give it to the iraqis now that we've started. "IF you're going to go, go all out"

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Kevmaster


then how the hell do you expect them to get on their feet?

we came into their land and took it over, we owe them at least that much to rebuild their country. we can't do this half-assed. If we do, we're just going to make a worse place and we're going to have to pull out......blah blah blah..

we have to spend money and give it to the iraqis now that we've started. "IF you're going to go, go all out"

No, we do NOT have to GIVE them the money. We loan them the money, they pay it back in oil shares or from the profits thereof.

Who said anything about pulling out??? That's the LAST thing we ought to be thinking about doing.

[Kevmaster]

you're right, pulling out is not the road to take and i am a 100% supporter of staying there until the job is done--no matter the cost. but in 10 years or so we will pull out and they'll be on their own. give them 100-150B worth of debt and whats going to happen?? they're not going to be able to pay that kind of money back. likely, the government would flounder and we'd just end up eating it then, after more troops die while reclaiming the country and having to go all over again

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
you're right, pulling out is not the road to take and i am a 100% supporter of staying there until the job is done--no matter the cost. but in 10 years or so we will pull out and they'll be on their own. give them 100-150B worth of debt and whats going to happen?? they're not going to be able to pay that kind of money back. likely, the government would flounder and we'd just end up eating it then, after more troops die while reclaiming the country and having to go all over again

Why would they accrue that kind of debt? They have a product, it's called oil. Sell it.

Now that Saddam is gone, the free market will more than offset whatever short term debt they may face.

[Kevmaster]

couple things.

where would they get it? we're giving them $60B this year. I bet it easily tops 100B over the next 10 years that we give them.

why would they not pay it off? because the oil, in the gvt we'll set up, isn't owned by the gvnt. its owened by companies. companiesdo pay taxes on oil and the gvt will tax the oil as it leaves, but they don't own the oil. They have a country to run too with that money. People are throwing a fit over a 40B shortfall in Cali which has the world's 5th largest economy. Giving Iraq a 60B bill to pay starting year 1, for an economy that doesnt exist? they'd never recover.

[Yamz]

OK... *sigh* to begin with this war never did and still does not have anything to do with money (or oil) aside from the fact thats it is going to cost a lot. Since someone brought it up this war also had very little to do with weapons of mass destruction. WOMD was something that was said and the media ran with it... don't you love how the media twists things. The answer to what this war is all about can only be seen in the tear filled eyes and war torn smiles of the now FREE iraqi people. So I ask you this, should a country that was apposed to helping the people be allowed to now profit off the people they dont care about? NO...

If you don't agree with this now... go to iraq and look into the eyes of a mother holding her child and tell me what you see

[Collegeboy]

WOMD were not the reason, humanitarian reasons are not the reasons, for the people will be worst off. Then what is the reason.

The US can not and will never allow a democracy to exist in Iraq, if they did, it will be Shiite, and will be a backer of Iran. We went into Iraq to contra the Russia claims in Iran, there is no way we will allow an Iran and Iraq government that are friends.

No, FOL, everyone who posts in this thread is a troll if you consider me a troll.