U.S. Bars War Opponents....

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


CB, stop being so racist. Arabs are just as capable of governing themselves as the western cultures. I thought youu lefties were supposed to be the tolerant ones. But you think simply because they're different they can't govern responsibly. It's amazing how intolerant you lefties really are.

And SHUT UP ABOUT NOT CONSIDERING ANOTHER OPTION YOU LIAR. We were at the UN for 14 months! FOURTEEN. Why did we do that if we didn't try another option. Powell practically lived in that region trying to avoid war. In the end our "allies" you're so fond of and that peace loving benevolent man Saddan that you love so much refused to cooperate and so a war was fought. Please, for the love of all that is good start paying attention to all the data and not just that which you like.

Racist, where in the world did you get that from. Stop trying to throw terms around that doesn't mean anything or even apply. First it was anti-American, then anti-us, now racist. It is a simple fact that because of nationalist feelings, democracy will not work in Iraq, just like it will not work in many countries throughout the world. Democracy is not the end all solution for everyone, it was the solution for us.

The US at no time tried to go through the UN, it was a last ditch attempt to bring other nations to the table. The US would not consider a plan that did not involve war. They made it perfectly clear what they wanted. That is not how diplomacy works.

What makes you think that people who think like me don't do the same things. I plan on serving my country in the State Department. Of which I feel is just as if not more important then the military. For it doesn't matter if you whip your enemy in the field, you win or lose a war in the negotiations. I am not snipping your contributions, just asking what you consider a contribution and what you don't consider a contribution.

Bush can not afford for soldiers to be in Iraq in a year from now.

And expand a bit on the Clinton attacking Iraq.

There is a difference between the US where we DID NOT HAVE A NATIONALISTIC WAR, we had a war fought by few people where the vast majority of the people wanted nothing more to do then to just live their life.

As to the Germany and Japan, please study warfare before listing examples that do not fit. Germany and Japan were two symmetrical armies fighting each other with a populace that was of one nationality, or at least the majority nationality was liked.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
What makes you think that people who think like me don't do the same things. I plan on serving my country in the State Department. Of which I feel is just as if not more important then the military. For it doesn't matter if you whip your enemy in the field, you win or lose a war in the negotiations. I am not snipping your contributions, just asking what you consider a contribution and what you don't consider a contribution.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


I haven't read the others, for I haven't had the time too. But this one came across me the second I clinked.

If the US would have went in the legal way, the way that the international community wanted the community to go in, the US wouldn't have been 80 billion in debt, we wouldn't have our best come home in body bags. Blame that on Bush, he is the one he refused to use other possible actions to solve this "problem.", and chose to go at it practically alone.

Well CrackBoy is back on the pipe...

so giving up this nations sovereign RIGHT to defend itself to the "international community" would have solved this whole thing?

You make me want to puke. To think there are morons in this country that would hand over the reigns to some pissant turd world country to decide how best to handle our own affairs is outrageous.

Yeah I am SOOOOOOOO sure that Botswana knows what's best for us.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Racist, where in the world did you get that from. Stop trying to throw terms around that doesn't mean anything or even apply. First it was anti-American, then anti-us, now racist.

shoe fits, wear it.

[ShooterJM]

hehehe if this weren't so pathetic it'd be more funny! Let me try, let me try!

Ok, here goes.....

"The US should give taxpayer money to France and Germany, for we have offended them by invading a country ruled by peace loving humanitarian people. The we should all write a letter of apology, for that is what is just. War is not won by obliterating your enemy, for it is won on the negotiating table. These are my ideas alone, I am in college and have gained the wisdom of the ages. If you do not agree you must study, for if you don't agree you must be ignorant, for I am an itellectual giant!"


heheheheh

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by ShooterJM
hehehe if this weren't so pathetic it'd be more funny! Let me try, let me try!

Ok, here goes.....

"The US should give taxpayer money to France and Germany, for we have offended them by invading a country ruled by peace loving humanitarian people. The we should all write a letter of apology, for that is what is just. War is not won by obliterating your enemy, for it is won on the negotiating table. These are my ideas alone, I am in college and have gained the wisdom of the ages. If you do not agree you must study, for if you don't agree you must be ignorant, for I am an itellectual giant!"


heheheheh

bwaaaaa haa haaaaaaaa that's PRICELESS

you forgot his decades of community involvement and service. of course the early years were tough, having to have the occasional filled diaper taken care of in town hall meetings...

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley

You said people like me never contribute anything. I asked you what makes you think that people like you will contribute while people like me will not.

You can wipe the floor with your enemy, but if you have a poor diplomatic working the peace treaty you will get hardly anything out of it. You can have your but kicked, and if you have a good diplomatic you can walk out without a scratch. You can go on living your fantasy of who does what, the military is just a tool used by the government to get what they want, be it economic or what ever gains.

If a country attacked us, then retaliatory action against them is a given. Saddam has never and probably would never pose a threat to the US.

Iraq is NOT our own nationally affairs, it is international affairs.

Quite calling names and debate, or leave the debate.

Never said we should give them tax payer money. I said the US is eliminating all competition from a country in which they illegally invaded, thus showing the true reason for the war to the international community.

[aaron_mag]

Oh my lordy......we can't seem to leave this discussion off the board.

I actually partially agree with Shartley. Money is ALWAYS involved but that doesn't mean it is ALL ABOUT money.

I believe the controversy is that we want France and Germany to forgive Iraqi debt while we take all the reconstruction jobs. Also note that it does not matter if th money is from the U.S. taxpayers. U.S. companies have ALWAYS been willing to loot the American people for every penny they can. Don't say there is not transfer of wealth going on here (from out of our collective pockets to those with ties of the administration).

But still as Shartley pointed out that doesn't mean it was ALL ABOUT money. You guys all know I was against the war, but I am not so cynical to believe we fought it all simply for "transfer of wealth".

[Jeffy-CanCon]

On the original topic, I think the USA is well within it's rights to decide who gets to bid on contracts it is paying for.

On the subject of Canada's contribution to the Iraq rebuilding, Yes, our donation is tiny compared to what the USA put forward. But please remember that we are at best a middle-sized country, and our econmomy is less than 1/10th the size of the USA.

To my fellow Canucks who have posted here:
- Please don't deliberately antagonise the Americans. They're our neighbours, our friends and our cousins. And Canada's motivations and actions on Iraq weren't perfectly pure, either. If you dig into it just a little, you'll find a money trail that starts in Saddam's Iraq, goes through France, and ends in our ex-PM's family.
- Don't bring up the subject of national debts. Although we have recently gotten our annual deficits out of the way, our accumulated national debt is greater than the US, on a per-capita basis.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Jeffy-CanCon
To my fellow Canucks who have posted here:
- Please don't deliberately antagonise the Americans. They're our neighbours, our friends and our cousins.

And it wouldn't be bad for we Americans to remember the same and return courtesy with our neighbors and allies. Respect is a two way street......

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Jeffy-CanCon
On the original topic, I think the USA is well within it's rights to decide who gets to bid on contracts it is paying for.

On the subject of Canada's contribution to the Iraq rebuilding, Yes, our donation is tiny compared to what the USA put forward. But please remember that we are at best a middle-sized country, and our econmomy is less than 1/10th the size of the USA.

Canada's the only country that I think shouldn't be included in the disbarment of contracts.

They contributed not only monies but lives.


As for the rest, sod off.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by shartley

“I plan on….” Like I said, when you HAVE, then come back and talk. And you can feel anything is more important than any other thing, that is your right…. But it does not make it so. The ONLY reason diplomatic things work is because you have

Again… when YOU have done something to contribute to our world and country, then come back and talk to me. Until then, all your “plans” don’t amount to a hill of beans. Sorry, “planned contributions” are not “contributions”.

Zing!!!

Collegeboy=Owned!!!!!!!

[1stdeadeye]

CollegeBoy:

STFU!!!!

You have offered "Facts" when they are only opinions! I will take some of that bet that there are still US troops in Iraq next October, probably in Afghanistan too!

You are so blinded by your hatred of this administration that you can't see anything beyond your hatred.

Calling all kurd terrorists is RACIST! It would be like me saying that all Palestinians are terrorists! (Not all, just most! )

This is American Tax-Payer funded work! If my house were to burn down, I could not hire just anybody to rebuild it. I would have to deal with the insurance company who is paying for it. Same thing here!

As for contributions, your father has made them, my father, Sam, Facts, myself for that matter. You have done nothing! You are a drain on society! You take tax dollars and have stated so. Your "plans" don't amount to crap! What have you done? I have payed LOTS of taxes. I serve on the planning board of my town, my son's school's Board of Directors, and on my Local United Ways' Finance Board! I also teach classes to help small business owners. The honorarium I get from those classes I donate to the United Way. When you have given back and stop taking, then you can speak as a contributor to society!!!!!!!

Hey since you get your government "cheese", why don't you send some of it to the French! That can be your way of sending our US tax money to the frogs!

Now be a good Boy and go play in traffic!

[Southpaw]

And expand a bit on the Clinton attacking Iraq.

What you dont beleve me? Would you like a LINK puts a TWIST on how BUSH lied about WOMD. Well then CLINTON must have too!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Jeffy-CanCon
On the original topic, I think the USA is well within it's rights to decide who gets to bid on contracts it is paying for.

Thank you! It is nice for people to realize that you can spend your own money any way you want! That being said, Canada should be entitled to direct the spending of their $200million to Canadian Companies if they so desire!

To my fellow Canucks who have posted here:
- Please don't deliberately antagonise the Americans. They're our neighbours, our friends and our cousins. And Canada's motivations and actions on Iraq weren't perfectly pure, either. If you dig into it just a little, you'll find a money trail that starts in Saddam's Iraq, goes through France, and ends in our ex-PM's family.

I forgot your former PM is a French Canadian!