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  • Albinonewt
    Team Icky Forest
    • Apr 2003
    • 2456

    #181
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by aaron_mag
    Yeah you are right. That is why we've pulled national guardsmen away from their families for six month tours...because there isn't any strain. And don't start a debate on whether we SHOULD be pulling guardsman for long tours, that is not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that Iraq AND Afghanistan HAS put a strain on our military. Perhaps there is a convincing argument that we SHOULD'T be in Germany at all (and I tend to agree with you there)but the fact is our military is strained from what the COMMANDERS feel should be deployed.

    So, you're saying that there isn't 85,000 US soldier in Germany? Intersting notion.

    And what commanders? Do you mean the TV ex-generals that are always griping? Truth be told, we can always use more, but the troop levels we have now are accomplishing their goals admirebly.

    Of course why am I arguing with you? You are the one who thinks the administration is holding the announcement for the WOMD for just prior to the election.

    We'll see. I think Bush is A) waiting until everything is in. I doubt we'll see the "smoking gun" that we all want, so instead of releasing a few tidbits at a time I *think* he'll release a ton of small things all at once. And B) Karl Rove knows how to campaign, and I think he'll let the Democratic nominees whine about the "No WMD" claims and then just blast which ever one gets the nomination. That's my suspicion, I may be right and I may not be. We'll see.

    That be stupid because it is our tax money and our troops (we are a republic after all) that fought the war (those sort of announcements are not for politicians to hold based on an election).

    Well, it's not how I would do things, but then again, I'm not in charge. I don't pretend that the administration is this unfallible entity you know.

    So either the adminstration is stupid or no glorious notification awaits the American people.....

    Time will tell. I hope we get the notification though. Otherwise there is a very good chance that whatever he had is now in someone else's hands. And, even if it turns out to be true that country "x" has acquired those weapons it is going to be very tough to launch a second war looking for them.
    Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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    • Albinonewt
      Team Icky Forest
      • Apr 2003
      • 2456

      #182
      [QUOTE]Originally posted by aaron_mag


      Exactly the argument I did not want to get into. That is TOTALLY beside the point. What are they? They are RESERVISTS. So when do you call up reservists? When there is a strain on the "active" members and you need to call up help. For people to say, "Oh yeah. There is no strain. We're just calling up reservists to so we can meet all of our obligations...." WHAT DOES THAT SAY?????


      Frankly, the only strain that exists comes from our unwillingness (so far) to deploy regular troops that are based in other nations. Bush has a lot of gumption, but he hasn't gone that route yet. I would, I hope he does.
      Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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      • Albinonewt
        Team Icky Forest
        • Apr 2003
        • 2456

        #183
        [QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy
        No I am not saying Arabs do not or can not live under a democracy.

        um, yeah you did. Don't back peddle. Stand up for your beliefs. You're a racist centrist, be proud. Not a lot of people have the guts to say it aloud!

        Stop you attempt to defame my character by stating unsubstantiated claims.

        Um, ok. Now ceasing all "attempts" to defame your character. From now on I'll just resort to what I always do, point out your hypocrisy and your lies.

        Just like a conservative.

        Damn right I am.
        Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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        • Albinonewt
          Team Icky Forest
          • Apr 2003
          • 2456

          #184
          [QUOTE]Originally posted by mcveighr
          Why is it absolutly necassary that the live in a democracy?

          What are the other choices? Nothing other then free societies seem to be able to provide all the barest in human living conditions. When someone finds another way maybe that will be adopted. But until then there aren't a lot of options.

          Also only one guy had the balls to comment on my previous question.

          I'm kind of skimming, please repeat it.
          Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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          • Collegeboy

            #185
            Yeah whatever you believe must be true.

            Face the facts, until people of any color, creed, ethnic group, etc.. are able to govern for themselves then they will not be able to handle a democracy. Heck the US can barely handle a democracy. If it was up to the people like you (which I pray will one day be the vast minority) we will attack anyone who dare look at us in a cross eyed manner.

            Stop with the stupid name calling, and get back to the debate.

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            • Restola
              Certificated Cloud Buster
              • May 2001
              • 2230

              #186
              Originally posted by Collegeboy
              Stop with the stupid name calling, and get back to the debate.
              I'll second that.

              Most political discussion here has been ruined by really immature name-calling from people not willing to back up their statements (I'm looking at the older conservative crowd that hangs around...)

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              • Southpaw
                Registered User
                • Aug 2003
                • 534

                #187
                CB-
                So what did you think about the Clinton WOMD link? Sounds alot like what Bush said.
                Also the UN resolution link that PROVES we tried to do things the "right way" For years!
                I think there for, I am I think. am I?

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                • Southpaw
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 534

                  #188
                  Originally posted by mcveighr
                  If the war truthfully was about removing a violent dictator from power then why would Bush choose Iraq, there a quite a few countries that also have dictators that are just as crazy if not more. For example China, bush has even been acting all chummy to their premier, maybe he forgets about when China invaded Tibet and killed thousands? Or he forgets about the Cultural Revoulution? Or how theyre still torturing Bhuddist monks. Not surprising coming from the man who forgot about nuking Japan, twice.

                  "For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times."
                  Tokyo 2/18/02
                  I assume you mean this quote? Give us time do you understand if we show the world that even though the UN is Leery to get it's hands dirty and stand up against countries that are in violation of UN sanctions/treaties The US will! That it will make said countries less likely to do shady things it puts "teeth" behind the UN again.
                  I think there for, I am I think. am I?

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                  • Albinonewt
                    Team Icky Forest
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 2456

                    #189
                    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy
                    Yeah whatever you believe must be true.

                    Um, yeah, basically. Since I pay attention to the world and don't just blindly follow the mantra of the left. You'll note, me being a conservatve Republican I often disagree with other Republicans including the President. You'll also note that as a "centrist" you've never once failed to recite line for line the hard left's mantras.

                    Face the facts, until people of any color, creed, ethnic group, etc.. are able to govern for themselves then they will not be able to handle a democracy.

                    You mean like Turkey? The Arab non religious Democracy to the north? Don't they count?

                    Heck the US can barely handle a democracy. If it was up to the people like you (which I pray will one day be the vast minority) we will attack anyone who dare look at us in a cross eyed manner.

                    Yes, if it was up to me we would attack every country that threatened our natinal security. That doesn't sound like such a bad thing, does it?

                    Stop with the stupid name calling, and get back to the debate.

                    I actually thought my name calling was rather clever
                    Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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                    • Albinonewt
                      Team Icky Forest
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 2456

                      #190
                      Originally posted by Restola
                      Most political discussion here has been ruined by really immature name-calling from people not willing to back up their statements (I'm looking at the older conservative crowd that hangs around...)
                      Hey, don't look at me. I'm not doing it. I just reread the last 3 pages of posts and I'm doing no name calling.

                      Except to levy the charge of racism, which I offered supporting evidence to support my claim.
                      Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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                      • shartley
                        paintball player
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 9169

                        #191
                        Originally posted by Restola

                        I'll second that.

                        Most political discussion here has been ruined by really immature name-calling from people not willing to back up their statements (I'm looking at the older conservative crowd that hangs around...)
                        Originally posted by Collegeboy
                        Yeah whatever you believe must be true.
                        Sounds like what folks have been pointing out about you for a long time.
                        Originally posted by Collegeboy
                        Face the facts, until people of any color, creed, ethnic group, etc.. are able to govern for themselves then they will not be able to handle a democracy.
                        Originally posted by Collegeboy
                        Heck the US can barely handle a democracy. If it was up to the people like you (which I pray will one day be the vast minority) we will attack anyone who dare look at us in a cross eyed manner.

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                        • 1stdeadeye
                          Still around????
                          • Jun 2002
                          • 8501

                          #192
                          Originally posted by mcveighr
                          Why is it absolutly necassary that the live in a democracy?

                          No one said it was. However, do the Iraqi's at least not deserve the chance to attempt to live free?


                          Also only one guy had the balls to comment on my previous question.


                          That is because no further response was needed. Conquer a country and then leave and you have Germany after WWI. Conquer a country and rebuild them and you have Germany and Japan post WWII, in other words Allies!

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                          • 1stdeadeye
                            Still around????
                            • Jun 2002
                            • 8501

                            #193
                            Originally posted by Collegeboy
                            Face the facts, until people of any color, creed, ethnic group, etc.. are able to govern for themselves then they will not be able to handle a democracy. Heck the US can barely handle a democracy. If it was up to the people like you (which I pray will one day be the vast minority) we will attack anyone who dare look at us in a cross eyed manner.

                            It's statements like this that get you in trouble. First off, I think over 200 years of existence in our system shows the U.S. can handle it don't you. The last election proves it. We handled it in a civalized and legal manner. Had we been unable to handle it, we would have had a civil war would we not?

                            As for others being able to handle it, Turkey is a great example. Want a better one? How about the world's most populous democracy: India. They a muslim, hindus, seihks, and christians. They make it work. Why does not Iraq deserve the same chance. What is done is done. Saddam will not return. We need to look forward with ideas and not backwards with recrimination.

                            Unlike you, I have faith that good people in Iraq will want to live in peace and freedom. The two are not incompatible with democracy, are they?

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                            • mcveighr
                              Registered User
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 861

                              #194
                              That is because no further response was needed. Conquer a country and then leave and you have Germany after WWI. Conquer a country and rebuild them and you have Germany and Japan post WWII, in other words Allies!
                              That wasnt my question.

                              And you dont have to live in a democracy to live free.

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                              • Southpaw
                                Registered User
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 534

                                #195
                                -Mcveighr-
                                Did I answer your question? Please post the question again.
                                And you dont have to live in a democracy to live free
                                It helps
                                I think there for, I am I think. am I?

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