U.S. Bars War Opponents....

[1stdeadeye]

Game over baby!!!!!

With Saddam's capture and the death of his son's, the old regime can never return now!!!!!

This should be a huge blow to the insurgents!

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
[Frankly, the only strain that exists comes from our unwillingness (so far) to deploy regular troops that are based in other nations. Bush has a lot of gumption, but he hasn't gone that route yet. I would, I hope he does. [/B]

First you argue that the commanders have the amount of troops on the ground that they feel they need and we need to trust their judgement, then you say that they need to deploy troops from other countries (Germany). So which is it?

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
First you argue that the commanders have the amount of troops on the ground that they feel they need and we need to trust their judgement, then you say that they need to deploy troops from other countries (Germany). So which is it?

I don't think there is a strain on our troops. My point was simply that should any commanders be feeling a strain (or feel one in the future) it is not due to our lack of regular troops, but our unwillingness to deploy some of our regular forces in such a fashion as to alleviate the stress, my exammple being the 85,000 soldiers in Germany.

Plus, another thing to remember about the reserves is that many of the military specialties we have exist primarily in the reserves. A good example of this is military police units, which are in great need in Iraq. Because it simply isn't helpful to have several MP divisions in our regular armed forces (since they're pretty specialized and not very handy in most normal defense situations.) So, whenever we occupy a nation like Iraq (which is pretty infrequent) we need to activiate this MP units for civil defense.

Now, since it looks like the new Bush Doctrine may very well expand to a more robust nation building strategy in other parts of the world (something I'm not certain I support yet) we may need additional units of this kind in our regular forces. But up until now we have not.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Excellent point about the use of specialist reserve units, Albinonewt. MPs, maintenance and civil affairs units are mostly found in the reserve. It's smart long-term planning on the part of the Pentagon. I'd wish that Canada would do something similar with our reserves, but there are more important reforms that we need made first.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by aaron_mag


First you argue that the commanders have the amount of troops on the ground that they feel they need and we need to trust their judgement, then you say that they need to deploy troops from other countries (Germany). So which is it?

We had enough troops to catch Saddam!

[Miscue]

It's a good thing that we caught him, and not another country... could you imagine?

[Mateo]

Hmmm...I read the thread again and I can't wait for CB's comments on the capture. It will be very entertaining opinion/debate between him and others on the board.:)

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Mateo
Hmmm...I read the thread again and I can't wait for CB's comments on the capture. It will be very entertaining opinion/debate between him and others on the board.:)

Bwahahahahahaha!!

Oh yes it will!

*Evil grin!!!*

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Mateo
Hmmm...I read the thread again and I can't wait for CB's comments on the capture. It will be very entertaining opinion/debate between him and others on the board.:)

If I get NOTHING else for Christmas pleeeeeease let him comment...

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


If I get NOTHING else for Christmas pleeeeeease let him comment...

I would say ditto, but I really want that Digital Video Camera!

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye




I would say ditto, but I really want that Digital Video Camera!

and i want that y frame

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Mateo
Hmmm...I read the thread again and I can't wait for CB's comments on the capture. It will be very entertaining opinion/debate between him and others on the board.:)

I could personally care less. I know what he's going to say and I know what my response will be. It's really not even interesting anymore, he's a broken record.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley

I am not saying a race of people are not suited for a type of government. Stop putting words in my mouth. Just like the right. I am saying that there is not one type of government that suits everybody. Would you say Paul Harvey is a rasist? (waiting for your answer, for he said that Democracy is not suited for everyone because it requires self governance, and some people are not ready for self governance.) Democracy has turned South America inside out. They were not ready for it, they are now suffering. There is nothing racist about that, just common sense.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Originally posted by Collegeboy


But Iraq is not Japan or Germany. It is mroe like Yugoslavia (former),former Austro Hungarian Empire, former Ottoman Empire. It was a country who was full of differing ethnic groups who don't mind killing each other for they are different then them and pose a threat to them. These countries lived for ages and ages and ages through the idea of a strong leader holding them together. The second western ideas hit them, they feel and have spawned the crisises that are still going on today. Iraq will not be a beaken of light to spread the sun shine of democracy all over the middle east. It will be a country forever in turmoil over civil war, that will be grasped by death. It will be a country who will give rise to the Arab in a purple coat who walks into the court of the world and takes over the world (see if anyone knows where that comes from). Now is that freedom? To me that sounds terrible and not something that I would like to live in.

India is a mesh of Hindus, Muslims, and Seihks, yet they make democracy work. I am so glad you are psychic and can see the future so clearly. Maybe they will suprise you. Look at Iran. They are tettering on the verge of democracy. They have a freely elected president and parliment. They have a large percentage of their population under 30. They are bucking for more and more freedoms. The Clergy will not hold power there for too much longer and BAM we will have another muslim democracy!

As to my quote on democracy. Democracy is not made for everyone, it is a basic fundamental idea of government that works with some people, just like a monarchy only works for some people and so forth. It is not rasist to state that some people are not suited for a democratic government. It is a plain fact. If you do not see that then I am sorry, it seems that you need to get out more and see the world around you. You know the world ins't just 4 time zones and two states.

So some people are meant to have no say in their lot in life? That sounds pretty closed minded to me. You are saying they are not smart enough to rule themselves and need a dictator to do it for them? Your idea of the world doesn't sound to inclusive to me.

As to saying that I am to blame for you calling me names. I with hold me wants to lash out in immature posting, why can't you.

"I with hold me wants to lash out"

We don't need to here about you holding yourself!

Was the government of India and Iran put forth by a foreign government. No the government was put forth by the people opposing a foreign government. (which you heard me before the war stating that that is what needed to happen.

Iran is full of Sunnis (I think that is the one, though might be mistaken), the majority of its people are represented by the government. The US will not allow a Iraqi government to represent the majority of the people for then it will be the same as Iran. The US can not allow that.

Read my above post, and think.

It was a typo, it was suppose to say, I with hold myself from lashing out in immature posting calling people names. Why can you all not do the same.

[Collegeboy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Albinonewt

Originally posted by Collegeboy


But Iraq is not Japan or Germany. It is mroe like Yugoslavia (former),former Austro Hungarian Empire, former Ottoman Empire. It was a country who was full of differing ethnic groups who don't mind killing each other for they are different then them and pose a threat to them.

You know what contry has a profound resemblence to Iraq? Poland. Poland had basically the exact same problems Iraq did after WWII. And it's ok.

these countries lived for ages and ages and ages through the idea of a strong leader holding them together. The second western ideas hit them, they feel and have spawned the crisises that are still going on today.

What are you babbling about? The Arab nations were the most advanced in the medievil days but have by and large failed to move foward since then. There are a lot of reasons but the main is a reliance on their one major national resource, oil.

Iraq will not be a beaken of light to spread the sun shine of democracy all over the middle east. It will be a country forever in turmoil over civil war, that will be grasped by death. It will be a country who will give rise to the Arab in a purple coat who walks into the court of the world and takes over the world (see if anyone knows where that comes from). Now is that freedom? To me that sounds terrible and not something that I would like to live in.

Neither do they, which is why they will work together to avoid it. You make it sound like it is inevitable that these people (who you obviously deam inferrior to western peoples as an aspect of your racism) will fail. I do not take that notion for granted, nor do I feel that their success is guaranteed. That is why we must stay by their side and help them.


As to my quote on democracy. Democracy is not made for everyone, it is a basic fundamental idea of government that works with some people, just like a monarchy only works for some people and so forth. It is not rasist to state that some people are not suited for a democratic government.

Um, yeah it is. To say that based solely on being a different race precludes people from having the ability to live in freedom IS racist.

It is a plain fact.

Well, then I suppose you'll be the one to tell India and Turkey that they can't do what they're doing and they need to find a tyrant to rule them quickly, since they're too inferrior to rule themselves. Your racism sickens me.

If you do not see that then I am sorry, it seems that you need to get out more and see the world around you.

You know that when I talk about Turkey I'm not talking about dinner on Thanksgiving, right? It's a country, close to Iraq. It has Arabs and all kinds of other people living in a Democracy, right there in the middle east. Which of course, according to you, is factually impossible. Yet they keep on doing it, just to annoy us.

You know the world ins't just 4 time zones and two states.

What two states cover 4 times zones? I didn't know that.

As to saying that I am to blame for you calling me names. I with hold me wants to lash out in immature posting, why can't you.

I have. I've called you only one thing, and I substaniated why I believe you are that one thing. (and you've gone out of your way to prove my point).

Inferior, funny, now people are using name calling to discredit people who oppose their ideas. No wonder you like McCarthy (the greatest evil this country has ever produced (well one of them)). I am the one who do not judge other cultures, based on the ideas of my culture, maybe you need to do the same.

Poland is mainly one religion.

I didn't say it relies on their race, I said it relies on how they are. As others have said Iran and other Arab countries are pushing towards democracy. They seem ready for it, Iraq is not at that point and will have to go through a civil war before they maybe get to that point, but my guess is like in all other cases of Civil War a tyrant will rise not a democracy.

Call me an uncalled for name again and I shall report you. It is uncalled for, and does nothing but show the immaturity of your posting.