Raising the draft age.

[Rooster]

"Yes the President does need Congress to approve of a war, but isn't the majority of congress Rebuplican right now? It seems that they will agree to almost anything Bush presents to them. Have they turned down ANY proposal that Bush has given them yet? "

Yes, its called a mandate. You see, the United States of America got sick of the spineless, the weak, and the naive, and so we voted them out of power. You see if you beleive differently than the current administration, it means that you are in the minority. Your ideas and thoughts were shot down becuase they were simple and stupid. The majority of Americans will no longer be led around by the nose by the ignorant.

Its called a mandate. You lost. And you will lose again. Get used to the feeling.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

no draft is a good draft

[Chojin Man]

"Yes, its called a mandate. You see, the United States of America got sick of the spineless, the weak, and the naive, and so we voted them out of power. You see if you beleive differently than the current administration, it means that you are in the minority. Your ideas and thoughts were shot down becuase they were simple and stupid. The majority of Americans will no longer be led around by the nose by the ignorant."

Obviously Rooster your idea of civility differs from mine.

Would you care to grace us with answers, of your obvious superior intelect, to the other half of my post?

[Bluestrike_2]

i think that after a person finishes their years of education, which should require atleast a FULL high-school diploma, not a GED, they should serve a 2 year term of service. It could be either military or in the civil government.

The whole darn Bush thing:

I myself think that we should have gone and taken Saddam out when we first had the chance before. Now, I am even happier that we did. Some of the things that he did to his people are despicable.

We can blame anything on anyone. The Nazi's blamed anything and everything on the Jews. We could blame a janitor for Columbia. We could blame the whole 9-11 attacks on the CIA. But, all things considered, where will this get us? Blaming things on someone can do nothing for us.

This thread was started to talk about the draft age. Now, its the I love Bush vs I hate Bush argument. We don't need another thread closed because of a political debate.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Chojin Man
Yes the President does need Congress to approve of a war, but isn't the majority of congress Rebuplican right now? It seems that they will agree to almost anything Bush presents to them. Have they turned down ANY proposal that Bush has given them yet?

You are wrong becausewhile the Republicans control both houses of Congress, in the Senate, the Democrats can stop anything they want via Fillibuster. Take a number of Bush's judicial appointments for example. The Oct 2002 resolutions passed both houses with Republican and Democratic support!

The resolutions called for Iraq to disarm all of their WMD, right? That is the reason why we invaded and went to war, right? Then where are the WMD? You would think that we would have at least known the general location of some of them before we went in. I DO hope that we are right and Iraq DOES have WMD, but until we DO find them we invaded under false pretenses.

Actually they called for Iraq to allow open and unfettered inspections to prove they did not have WoMD. Saddam could have saved himself and regime by throwing the doors wide open to Mr. Blix and his team. He instead allowed his pride to get the better of him and refused. He brought this war upon himself. He had everychance to short circuit the tide growing against him, but as they say "Pride Goeth Before A Fall"!

[Pacifist_Farmer]

I know I'm just stoking some off topic fire but

Isn't it just a bit hypocritical the way we insist other countries bend to our will, but as soon as our judgement is questioned and our practices are reviewed we go on the defensive and close our doors?

I realize we havent been the agressor in a conflict in quite a while, some might disagree, but I think for every weapons inspector we force on a counrty like Iraq there should be two in our own.

[p8ntball1016]

Originally posted by Pacifist_Farmer
I know I'm just stoking some off topic fire but

Isn't it just a bit hypocritical the way we insist other countries bend to our will, but as soon as our judgement is questioned and our practices are reviewed we go on the defensive and close our doors?

I realize we havent been the agressor in a conflict in quite a while, some might disagree, but I think for every weapons inspector we force on a counrty like Iraq there should be two in our own.

We should not have to allow UN inspectors to pilfer through missile silos. Those are restricted areas and there is no chance in Hell that the DoD would allow civilians to check up on our missiles.

[-J�ker-]

Originally posted by Tanner Johnson
Kind Of Random
but
Since 18 is the legal age of "Adulthood" or lack there of in most people the draft age of 18 makes sense.
back when we needed the draft boys (18year olds) were raised in tougher environment than now days. It seems that today more 18 year olds seem less mature than back in the 60's and 70's. Maybe it's just me but thats what i have observed/studied.

You do bring up a valid point with raising the drafting age to 21. It would mean that many seniors in High school would not have to worry about not being able to get thier High school diploma.

I don;t know these are just kind of random thoughts thrown together, I would like to see some other peoples' thoughts on this.

if you are currently enrolled in school im pretty sure you CANT be drafted sry for typo

[Rooster]

"Isn't it just a bit hypocritical the way we insist other countries bend to our will, but as soon as our judgement is questioned and our practices are reviewed we go on the defensive and close our doors? "

Its one of the perks of being the planet's only super power. We give orders, we don't take them. If you don't like it, build a bigger country.

[Zygote]

I would be in favor of required service upon graduation as long as it was military or community service and you had some leeway in choosing the capacity in which you wanted to serve. How does it work in other countries?

[Rooster]

Mandatory service would never work in the USA. I think its a great idea conceptually, however a terrible idea in practice. How many people in the US are between 18 and 20. Think about housing those peopel at bases. Think about training and feeding them. Do we really need an army of 7-8 million when only about 1/4 even want to be there? Not to mention the fact that the Army would have to dumb down its program for the people who wouldn't normally cut it in the program.

Mandatory service is a good idea in principle, horrible idea in practice.

[Chojin Man]

1stdeadeye thank you for clearing that up for me. Finally someone who can answer a political question with facts and civility! Unlike Rooster. I swear he says all the things he does just to get a rise out of people.

[Chojin Man]

Originally posted by Rooster
Mandatory service would never work in the USA. I think its a great idea conceptually, however a terrible idea in practice. How many people in the US are between 18 and 20. Think about housing those peopel at bases. Think about training and feeding them.

"I would be in favor of required service upon graduation as long as it was military or community service and you had some leeway in choosing the capacity in which you wanted to serve."

"Do we really need an army of 7-8 million when only about 1/4 even want to be there?"

If you include the Reserves we have about 4 million in service. Zygote mentioned that for the people who do not want to be in the Military there would be an option of community service. So for the 3/4 of the people that don't want to be in the Military. They could do that instead.

"Not to mention the fact that the Army would have to dumb down its program for the people who wouldn't normally cut it in the program."

I don't think the military requires you to graduate from High School or have a GED to join. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to be able to make it in the Army. For those who couldn't cut it physicaly/mentaly they would go the community service route.

[-J�ker-]

"I don't think the military requires you to graduate from High School or have a GED to join."


yes they do

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Pacifist_Farmer
I know I'm just stoking some off topic fire but

Isn't it just a bit hypocritical the way we insist other countries bend to our will, but as soon as our judgement is questioned and our practices are reviewed we go on the defensive and close our doors?

I realize we havent been the agressor in a conflict in quite a while, some might disagree, but I think for every weapons inspector we force on a counrty like Iraq there should be two in our own.

Not really. We are a declared Nuclear Power as are France, Great Britan, Russia, and China. We have hidden nothing. We acknowledge our arsenal of WoMD. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty is what we hang our hats on demanding inspections. It was also the grounds for sanctions against India and Pakistan when they both tested nuclear devices.