State of the Union!

[-Carnifex-]

If you think about it that's a great angle. Atheletes have really become the epic heros of our societies, so trying to keep them as pure as possible seems appropriate.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by -Carnifex-
Still, making things easier for those who have it easy doesn't seem right to me. I'm just saying that I believe people in lower classes should gain more than they do for the tax cuts.

I'm a fan of: You have to work for a living, and if you aren't doing well you screwed up somewhere. And it's not the government's responsibility to reward you for this.

I've known several people who come from very poor families. They sign up for the military. They are provided with food, shelter, a salary, and free health-care. They receive retirement after working long enough. They benefit from the G.I. Bill and can pursue higher education. In exchange they serve their country.

Now, what is everyone else's excuse? This is just one example of opportunities available to every healthy American. If you're too old now, and did not take advantage of such things earlier in life... then you screwed up. And I see no reason to reward you for it.

[greg]

.. 1DE .....hes grown mature... how could he not have? It isnt like bush could have gotten any worse. As a teen he has to hide behind his dad and not go to war when hes drafted so he can stay and do drugs, then he gets into office and goes on a pointless rampage. That man is a sick idiot pervert. A country tells him teh truth we ahve no weapons of mass destruction, Bush replies they are lying even though they arnt and send our money down the drain and kill many innocent Us soldiers and cuases pointless hell for the people of foreign countries ( Iraq etc.). That man is a disgrace and im movin to Canada if he gets elected again. He goes striaght from signing for the death penalty to mentally ill people in Texas to starting a war so that he can use it to convince the american people he needs to stay in office to finish his work. The last thing we need is him there. We need someone without his head up his *** to fix the problems that ignoranus has caused.

Im done with my rant.... now all those idiotic bush supporters can fill this with there load of **** tryin to make that fool look like he has done anything decent.

greg

[-Carnifex-]

Originally posted by Miscue


I'm a fan of: You have to work for a living, and if you aren't doing well you screwed up somewhere. And it's not the government's responsibility to reward you for this.

I've known several people who come from very poor families. They sign up for the military. They are provided with food, shelter, a salary, and free health-care. They receive retirement after working long enough. They benefit from the G.I. Bill and can pursue higher education. In exchange they serve their country.

Now, what is everyone else's excuse? This is just one example of opportunities available to every healthy American. If you're too old now, and did not take advantage of such things earlier in life... then you screwed up. And I see no reason to reward you for it.

That's not what I meant at all. I don't mean people should be rewarded for being lazy, or screwing up. I'd just like to see a little more benefit going towards the blue collar workers of America.

P.s. I'm not one of those softie left guys who thinking the government should support people. Hell, I've been called cold for my views on people in my classes who don't do work but get the same breaks as I do.

[The Deacon]

I loved the Democrats in that speech. Kennedy was hilarious, with the look of, "Good God, this guy's full of crap!" on the whole time, constantly shaking his head.

I swear I saw one Democrat at one point mouth out, "That's bull(CENSORED)..." I think it was somewhere around the "No Child Left Behind" part. Priceless.

The applause at the mention of the expiration was brilliant. That really caught Bush off guard.

Rangle wasn't the only one asleep, I conked out a few times myself.

The leader of the Iraq government or whatever it is has a HUGE nose! That's genius, introduce a Jewish leader into a Muslim community!

[Anthraxx]

Sorry didn't get a chance to catch the State of the Union speech tonight as I was busy working on a plane that leaves for Kuwait or thereabouts in the early AM. Just my pennies worth and whatever the man decides to do I have no choice but to back him as he's my Boss.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by -Carnifex-


That's not what I meant at all. I don't mean people should be rewarded for being lazy, or screwing up. I'd just like to see a little more benefit going towards the blue collar workers of America.

I see what you mean, and I agree. Programs that help those who could use it are good to have and are necessary.

I think the best benefit that blue collar workers can receive is making it easier for them to support themselves. Allowing employers to have more money, such that this can go towards more jobs and such... I think is a good way to do this. I think everyone deserves healthcare of course, but I'd rather the government help people obtain their own health care, rather than some of the ideas proposed... which necessitate raising taxes on the wealthy (businesses, etc.)

[-Carnifex-]

I see your point too; it's a fine balance and honestly it's hard to make a call without numbers and a good grasp of economics, etc.

[Miscue]

Yeah, I think everyone's goal is the same: More for all. What differs is what we think it takes to achieve that.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Miscue
I figure it this way.

Who do the lower income people work for? The people getting these tax breaks. They end up having more money to distribute to those who work for them. When companies have more money, everyone benefits. It trickles down to everyone.

When we're talking about a tax break for lower income, what does this really mean? Extra spare change. They make so little to begin with, a % of a little is a little. And seriously, nothing is keeping people from surviving... we have all these social programs for people to abuse.

I personally would rather companies to have more money, because then they can afford to produce more and hire more people. You can't do that if you're giving out hand outs to everyone.

also known as the trickledown theory, which any economics class will teach you doesn't work very well. also, examples of it in use show that it doesn't work. i'm really done with political debates on this forum, so i'm just informing you. anyone can refute it, i don't care.

deacon- ya he was prolly mouthing that around that time, considering the no child left behind act was abandoned.

1de- bush's tax cuts involved lowering the upper tax bracket and lowering the lower tax bracket. meaning if you make less money, you pay more taxes. at least, this is what i read/learned/perceived/etc.

but ya...lazy people shouldn't get handouts. that doesn't mean the rich should get handouts, either.

[Rather]

I watched it and all I could really say is...

Not saying that just to Bush, but to the gal who was speaking for the democrats too. I usually lean more towards that party, but her rebuttle still put me to sleep.

One of the main points that I really only paid attention to is the Guy speaking for the Democrats. Saying how Bush had never said one word about college, and how tuition is higher now than it used to be. Bush is doing an ok Job on the no child is left behind...I suppose... But what about kids that want to go to college and I dunno.....get a degree without going into debt, even after cutting the corners till they are nubs...(could be the fact I am already thinking about college, why this one stood out to me the most).

Oh and the drugs policy...I've probably seen more of an increase in use...but mabey thats just my school in Dallas of Texas.... Did anyone here any plans for undrage drinking? There's alot larger problem of that than drugs in minors. Heck, I don't want to be killed by some bafoon who thought he could run to the store before that buzz kicked in... It already happened to plenty of people I know....

But Alas....I'm not into politics cause all it is to me is which liar is more belevable. Its much more fun to sit back, and watch as the economy rises and falls (been doing it for years, but to different degrees).

P.S.- Did anyone elses TV instantly ice over when the camera cut to Hillary? *shudder*

[Chojin Man]

First of all I wasn't able to watch the speech so I can't comment on it.

My question is about trickle down economics. Ok so the tax cuts are giving the companies and rich people more money. What or who says that they have to put all of this extra money back into the companies? It seems like they can just keep all of it for themselves.

Just trying to get a better grasp on the concept.

[Rooster]

"My question is about trickle down economics. Ok so the tax cuts are giving the companies and rich people more money. What or who says that they have to put all of this extra money back into the companies? It seems like they can just keep all of it for themselves."

Even if the CEO keeps it all, what is he going to do with it? Buy a house, thats built by someone. Buy food, thats grown by someone. Buy electronics, that are imported and sold by someone. Even if he invests it in other companies for his own desire to accumulate wealth, it grows those other companies. Etc, Etc, Etc. Its all about economies of scale. A person with a great deal of wealth can use it more effeciently. There is a much greater chance of trickle down, than there is of trickle up. Trickle down economics has been proven to work. Don't ask any liberal economist at any university, they will of course say it doesn't, merely becuase of their political affiliation. If you want the truth, ask a neutral foriegn economist about trickle down economics.

"Yeah, generally conservative tax cuts really only benefit the wealthy."

This is so unbeleiveably wrong, it makes me laugh. First of all, the upper income brackets pay far more in both actual dollars, and percentage wise, than any poor person. The only reason people want high taxes on the rich is becuase they desire income redistrabution, aka socialism. They are too lazy, or too stupid to make large amounts of money, and want someone else's hard earned cash to make their lives easier.

Of course, thats the Democrat's only selling point. Steal from the rich and give to the poor. It is a party of idiots and thives. However the fact that they will be embarassed so throughly and completely in 10 short months, almost makes their existance tolerable. What good is a victory, if there is nothing left of the enemy to gloat in front of?

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Rooster

They are too lazy, or too stupid to make large amounts of money, and want someone else's hard earned cash to make their lives easier.

ya, you're absolutely right. those in the lower classes are all too stupid or too lazy to make large amounts of cash. go you for revealing that universal truth to us

[Restola]

Originally posted by impostal22
ya, you're absolutely right. those in the lower classes are all too stupid or too lazy to make large amounts of cash. go you for revealing that universal truth to us

Just ignore everything he typed, and say some sarcastic comment. That will make you look intelligent