Your a great man GWB!

[theraidenproject]

Ok, ya got me. I shouldn't have made generalizations like that. I should have just said, "All groups tend to twist truths whenever possible to further their agendas or make them look good." And I'm not even really referring to this thread at all. Of course a kind act that Bush did will get jumped on by all the liberals, the same thing would happen if you put Clinton in there instead of Bush. Don't mind me, I'm just rambling.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by theraidenproject
Ok, ya got me. I shouldn't have made generalizations like that. I should have just said, "All groups tend to twist truths whenever possible to further their agendas or make them look good." And I'm not even really referring to this thread at all. Of course a kind act that Bush did will get jumped on by all the liberals, the same thing would happen if you put Clinton in there instead of Bush. Don't mind me, I'm just rambling.

don't misinterpret what i was getting at. i wasn't attacking you, i was just agreeing with the very things you were complaining about people arguing about! everyone's poo stinks, demo's and repub's, but people have a hard time seeing past the labels.

thanks for thinking about it, though :)

[Rooster]

"Liberals care nothing about the truth when it comes to furthering their agenda.
Conservatives care nothing about the truth when it comes to futhering their agenda."

You've missed the point. This has nothing to do with the truth of a statement, it has to do with universal truths.

What is the value of a human life? Is it worth more than that of a community? Is it worth more than an beleif? Is saving the life of your friend worth killing your enemy? Is it acceptable to lie? To Whom? About what? Etc.

I am interested in universal truths. Understanding the true nature of a human being, and then basing judgement on that. Understanding what can happen based on what I know will happen. Whether or not someone lied to another person has nothing to do with understanding truth.

[member#10,261]

Originally posted by theraidenproject
the same thing would happen if you put Clinton in there instead of Bush

but Clinton would NEVER EVER EVER do such a thing

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Rooster
"Liberals care nothing about the truth when it comes to furthering their agenda.
Conservatives care nothing about the truth when it comes to futhering their agenda."

You've missed the point. This has nothing to do with the truth of a statement, it has to do with universal truths.

What is the value of a human life? Is it worth more than that of a community? Is it worth more than an beleif? Is saving the life of your friend worth killing your enemy? Is it acceptable to lie? To Whom? About what? Etc.

I am interested in universal truths. Understanding the true nature of a human being, and then basing judgement on that. Understanding what can happen based on what I know will happen. Whether or not someone lied to another person has nothing to do with understanding truth.

ya except even universal truths are subjectively defined.

[Rooster]

Of course they are, if they wern't, there would be no difference in opinion.

However recognizing a truth and accepting it as fact, makes it fact, at least in your own existance. Hitler beleived killing Jews was right. In his own reality, all jews being evil was a fact. The point of the example is that the world can be modified to mirror one person's truths.

And this is exactly why I hate liberals. I do not want the world to be altered according to what they understand to be facts. I would rahter be dead, and since I do not want to die, I will do what ever it takes to shatter the truths that I know to be false. Whether you agree or not is irrelevent, my truth is my reality. I am right and you are wrong if you disagree.

[Chojin Man]

Originally posted by Rooster
...I will do what ever it takes to shatter the truths that I know to be false. Whether you agree or not is irrelevent, my truth is my reality. I am right and you are wrong if you disagree.

LMAO

[Rooster]

Yes, the supposed facts that the liberal stakes their beleifs on are quite funny. I laugh at them often.

[Riotz]

Ugh, I stopped reading around the 30th post. Hope I don't get flamed...


Politics! Great for Bush. Should we praise him? I don't know. This is all part of the job he has been elected to do. It is the same 'job' and 'duty' that I am sure many presidents have done before him.


Instead of spending so much attention on a man who visited people at a hospital; let us spend MORE attention on the men and women who where IN the war and who are NOW in those hospitals.


Yes, he is the President of the United States and is VERY busy, I'm sure.


However...

It's part of the job.

[Thordic]

The current political problems have nothing to do with being liberal or conservative, no matter how much you want to argue about it.

The current problems are due to the fact we have a glut of politicians, and no leaders. Politicians are not leaders. They serve no one but themselves and their interests, no matter which side they are on.

Leaders are cast aside by both parties because no one wants to see someone who gives neither side an advantage. John McCain has what it takes to be a leader, and look where it got him.

You can argue politics all you want, but its all meaningless. Republican or democrat, doesn't matter, as long as we have politicians running things, nothing will change.

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by Thordic
The current political problems have nothing to do with being liberal or conservative, no matter how much you want to argue about it.

The current problems are due to the fact we have a glut of politicians, and no leaders. Politicians are not leaders. They serve no one but themselves and their interests, no matter which side they are on.

Leaders are cast aside by both parties because no one wants to see someone who gives neither side an advantage. John McCain has what it takes to be a leader, and look where it got him.

You can argue politics all you want, but its all meaningless. Republican or democrat, doesn't matter, as long as we have politicians running things, nothing will change.

I agree with Thordic...

There was something about McCain that I could respect. Yet as flawed as our system is....it is still better than all those others out there. :)

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Thordic
The current political problems have nothing to do with being liberal or conservative, no matter how much you want to argue about it.

The current problems are due to the fact we have a glut of politicians, and no leaders. Politicians are not leaders. They serve no one but themselves and their interests, no matter which side they are on.

Leaders are cast aside by both parties because no one wants to see someone who gives neither side an advantage. John McCain has what it takes to be a leader, and look where it got him.

You can argue politics all you want, but its all meaningless. Republican or democrat, doesn't matter, as long as we have politicians running things, nothing will change.

thordic, you're missing the fact that we aren't arguing democrat vs. republican. anyone with any knowledge of politics knows there is NO difference between the two parties because of centralism. what we argue, however, is the ideas behind liberal thought vs. the ideas behind conservative thought. most of the time it isn't even about immediate policy or law, but rather hypotheticals or just ideas being tossed around.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by impostal22


thordic, you're missing the fact that we aren't arguing democrat vs. republican. anyone with any knowledge of politics knows there is NO difference between the two parties because of centralism. what we argue, however, is the ideas behind liberal thought vs. the ideas behind conservative thought. most of the time it isn't even about immediate policy or law, but rather hypotheticals or just ideas being tossed around.

Gee thats funny cause I thought we were discussing what President Bush did and that it was cool of him to do so....

[cphilip]

Originally posted by cphilip


Gee thats funny cause I thought we were discussing what President Bush did and that it was cool of him to do so....

[impostal22]

sorry bout that phil- my network here at college is ridiculously unstable so somehow that got submitted twice about an hour apart from eachother lol. i really hate the internet here.

and about what i said - i was referring more to other political discussions on AO that you mods have graciously allowed to go on. i've been meaning to thank you for allowing it, because i know you don't have to.