Windows vs. Mac

[cphilip]

I bet that work is still there. You just have to know how to find it.

[painTech]

https://www.ubergeek.tv/switchback

need i say more?

[temps]

What about pc's with linux! come on!

[ej_y4]

todays graphics run better on pcs running windows only because more gamers have windows(nividia and ati spend more time on pc market). as for the best os, i like linux. mac is nice for video edting. Windows wins in games. its all depends on what your doing with your computer. in the end its personal perfence, just like paintball guns.

[anonymousbill123]

pc's are better

i have to greatly dis agree with PainTech or whoever it is.

1.Granted Mac's come with more stock but then think about the price. A mac costs an average of 2 grand... i could make a PC at a Mac price that easily can out do a mac any day.

2.That special windows thing. Who does MAC need to buy it from. Of course...they buy it from Microsoft. This shows how dependent MACs are on Microsoft.

3.MACs can barely be upgraded. some people cant afford an expensive computer at a certain time...so they gradually upgrade when they get the money.

4.MACs are not even close to being as user friendly as Windows. Take them side by side and you'll see.

5.you cannot say that MACs are faster than PCs because that is complete bs. A 800 MHz processor is always going to be as fast as 800 MHz. plus the processors are not the only things that make a computer fast. One other way to make your computer faster is to get a faster hard drive. Lso the bigger the hard drive the slower it is. Also, you can add faster buffers...most computers dont even come with one.

6.The programs that MAC uses are mostly made by Microsoft. For example, does MAC use its own word processor?...No...it uses Microsoft Word. Same with Excel, Power Point, Internet Explorer, etc.

7.Windows has better graphics than MAC by far. True MACS come with better graphic cards stock than PCs, but there are graphic cards out there that are made for windows that no one has ever heard of and easily beat MAC graphics. Plus it is not the operating system that determines graphics...it's the computer's components.

8.Repair: MACs are always so different in design and shape than PCs. There odd, smaller, thinner shapes makes them much harder to repair. Plus there are more acessories for PCs such as water cooling systems that make the computer run better and makes it more reliable.

9.And there is no doubt that MACs will never beat Alienware and other computers like that. Plus you can take a MAC computer and change the operating system to widows.

So as many people can see...PCs totally out do MACs...plus MACs would not survive right now without Windows.

[sneakyhacker420]

wheres the linux option

[xadamx]

I own an iBook and a PC. I own the iBook simply because my entire school system bought them for the students for us to use.

I run OSX and Windows XP.

I have never gotten a blue screen of death with my PC, never had it freeze up on me. It has always been stable and runs great under stress. Over 3/4 of the kids in my school have had to send their iBooks to Apple because OSX had fatal crashes and wouldn't start up. Windows 98/Me were the OSes that crashed all the time.

Compairing a G5 processor to a Xeon is unfair. Xeons, in my opinion are crap, the new Celeron if you will. Compair G5s to Pentium 4 Hyper Threaded chips and they will be basically dead even. The difference, either way, is not noticible.

The Windows emulator simply blows. I've used it on several Macs and every time it is slow, unstable, and worthless.

The top of the line Mac costs upwards of 4500 bucks. The top of the line PC is around 2500 bucks, if you buy it premade. You can obviously spend more money on either to get even more options and blah blah. I know that I would rather spend 2000 dollars less on a computer that is at least the same speed/performance/ect. Also, everybody here has been compairing dual G5s to single chip PCs. Thats more than slightly unfair if you ask me.

Apple doesn't make their own video card or sound cards. I can go out and buy a nice Radeon or Creative Studios card too. They will look and sound the same.

Some Macs are prettier than PCs, and some PCs are prettier than Macs. If you base your computer preference on the case you shouldn't use them anyway.

I may be strange, but I would rather be an expert in a substandard system(Windows; according to the Mac freaks)that controls 90% of the market than an expert in an amazing system(Mac; according to you Mac freaks) that only controls 10%.

Somebody said that Windows are unstable because they have a tech support. If you call Apple with a problem do they say "Sorry about your luck! You're up crap creek." ? Nice customer service.

I like Windows more than Mac. I've been raised using both so I'm not biased.

The bottom line is: both have their place in the world and we should all just accept that and quit worring about it.

[anonymousbill123]

Compairing a G5 processor to a Xeon is unfair. Xeons, in my opinion are crap, the new Celeron if you will. Compair G5s to Pentium 4 Hyper Threaded chips and they will be basically dead even. The difference, either way, is not noticible.

agreed

[mikey101]

agreed

heh, you brought this back from the dead for that!?

[Smoke]

i have to greatly dis agree with PainTech or whoever it is.

1.Granted Mac's come with more stock but then think about the price. A mac costs an average of 2 grand... i could make a PC at a Mac price that easily can out do a mac any day.

Erm....I have a fully loaded eMac that cost me about $700........

3.MACs can barely be upgraded. some people cant afford an expensive computer at a certain time...so they gradually upgrade when they get the money.

That's because you don't HAVE to upgrade them. Macs are like Mags, they work just as good as anything else but require alot less....well...effort.

4.MACs are not even close to being as user friendly as Windows. Take them side by side and you'll see.

Absolutly, totally wrong. Mac OSX is by far the most user friendly OS of the two. Like someone said earlier in this thread, if you ca't work a Mac, shoot yourself now.

6.The programs that MAC uses are mostly made by Microsoft. For example, does MAC use its own word processor?...No...it uses Microsoft Word. Same with Excel, Power Point, Internet Explorer, etc.

LOL. You must be unaware of AppleWorks (your answer to Word, which can open and save Word files), Safari (Apple's internet browser that THEY concocted. Second only to Mozilla Firefox.), and numerous other apps that are just as good as Microsoft's. To say Apple doesn't use it's own programs is bunk.

8.Repair: MACs are always so different in design and shape than PCs. There odd, smaller, thinner shapes makes them much harder to repair. Plus there are more acessories for PCs such as water cooling systems that make the computer run better and makes it more reliable.

Erm.....I've never seen a Mac that needed repair before. I have opened up my Mac, and it's really no different than opening up a PC. And that little quiet fan that I hear as I'm typing this is all I need, not some water cooled system.

So as many people can see...PCs totally out do MACs...plus MACs would not survive right now without Windows.

I personally don't think you've used a Mac outside of OS9, which is total crap. If you've even turned on a new Mac running OSX, you'd realize that alot of your points are totally wrong.

And I believe that the new IBM's are using Apple G5 chips, which would make sense because Apple and IBM are hand in hand.

[Python14]

I use both. I have a PC that I built for gaming and school, then when some money came my way....I bought a Powermac G5 Dual 2.5 ghz. Honestly, neither wins. They both have their good points and bad points. I prefer OSX over XP, but at times, the software choice annoys me. But things are getting better.

My next computer purchase will probably be a PC, but I will definitely never let my desk be "Mac-less"

[Lethargic]

your udder stupidity amazes me.

WINNAH!

[Bluestrike_2]

Color.

Macs are inherently bettery for color critical work. Like video, and photoshop.

For me, no contest. Also, base your opinions on OS X. It's a great system.

All have their strengths and weaknesses.

[Morfesto]

This thread needs a 3rd option for Linux :)

[Bluestrike_2]

i have to greatly dis agree with PainTech or whoever it is.

First off let's get it straight. Mac. Not MAC. It's not an acronym people. Also, it's not the company. The company is APPLE. Apple. Not MAC.

1.Granted Mac's come with more stock but then think about the price. A mac costs an average of 2 grand... i could make a PC at a Mac price that easily can out do a mac any day.

No.....

http://store.apple.com Check the prices

2.That special windows thing. Who does MAC need to buy it from. Of course...they buy it from Microsoft. This shows how dependent MACs are on Microsoft.

Oh yes, Apple is SO dependant. Sure..

This proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

3.MACs can barely be upgraded. some people cant afford an expensive computer at a certain time...so they gradually upgrade when they get the money.

4.MACs are not even close to being as user friendly as Windows. Take them side by side and you'll see.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/

Take a good look. Better yet, spend some time on one.

5.you cannot say that MACs are faster than PCs because that is complete bs. A 800 MHz processor is always going to be as fast as 800 MHz. plus the processors are not the only things that make a computer fast. One other way to make your computer faster is to get a faster hard drive. Lso the bigger the hard drive the slower it is. Also, you can add faster buffers...most computers dont even come with one.

And this proves you have NO idea what you are talking about. Is a 2.5 ghz Pentium 4 the same as an AMD Athlon at the same clock speed? No....

This proves your post if full of crap. However, yes you are right that a faster hard drive, like a Raptor or such will make your system MUCH faster. A lot faster.

6.The programs that MAC uses are mostly made by Microsoft. For example, does MAC use its own word processor?...No...it uses Microsoft Word. Same with Excel, Power Point, Internet Explorer, etc.

Those products are available, yes. Of course this also proves your point that you're misinformed.

Word
Excel Both have AppleWorks, which needs updated, and many other options out there reserving FULL compatability

PowerPoint - Apple Keynote

Windows Movie Maker - iMovie and iDVD, both very much more powerful. In fact they're not in the same class

Windows "My Pictures" - iPhoto, which is a lot more powerful than the folder.

WMP 9 - iTunes, Quicktime

Internet Explorer - Safari By Apple, Mozilla Firefox, Netscape Navigator, and a bunch of others

Point is, yes, Microsoft makes software for the Mac. Apple does for Windows too(iTunes, Quicktime). However to even make the assumption that most are by Microsoft is foolish. There are over 10,000 applications on the Mac. 10,000. MS makes barely a fraction of that.

7.Windows has better graphics than MAC by far. True MACS come with better graphic cards stock than PCs, but there are graphic cards out there that are made for windows that no one has ever heard of and easily beat MAC graphics. Plus it is not the operating system that determines graphics...it's the computer's components.

Windows has, until recently, had next to nothing for color management. Still, Macs are much better for color management. Also, only 1-2 cards(that I know of)in the PC world, Workstation models, are able to drive the Apple Cinema HD 30" screen. Much less two. As of now two Mac models CAN.

8.Repair: MACs are always so different in design and shape than PCs. There odd, smaller, thinner shapes makes them much harder to repair. Plus there are more acessories for PCs such as water cooling systems that make the computer run better and makes it more reliable.

Water cooloing does not make the system run better. In fact it CAN create problems if it is installed poorly. It doesn't make it reliable, either.

Also, the 2.5 GHZ PowerMac uses water cooling(with some kind of gel I believe)...

9.And there is no doubt that MACs will never beat Alienware and other computers like that. Plus you can take a MAC computer and change the operating system to widows.

Just your opinion. Again, it depends on the uses. When it comes to color management, secure operations, and scientific work, Macs are better. For their color management abilities, stability, and security. Creative designers much prefer the mac, as one can easily find out. As of right now, Windows is better for gaming. More games are being ported to the mac however. Note that this playing field could level out more. Although most Macs are used by people not interested in gaming. In which case a PS2, Xbox, or Gamecube(or all three)would serve be a lot nicer(IMHO, although I do own a few Mac games (Unreal 2k4, Halo, The SIms, Sim City) (I'm not big on games)

So as many people can see...PCs totally out do MACs...plus MACs would not survive right now without Windows.

Actually without Windows Apple Mac OS X would control the market. D'oh! Also, just your opinion. Back it up.

This wasn't a personal attack and I don't mean to make it seem like one. You are just misinformed with false AND outdated information.

Also the NSA published a security pamphlet for OS X. Windows guys can read it too:

http://www.nsa.gov/snac/os/applemac/..._final_v.1.pdf

I think it's around 3 megs.