Another day off from school, yay (if I were still in high school) :(

[bleachit]

you can find just as much evidence for creation as you can for evolution. the only problem is both sides are heavily biased and neither side wants to give any ground to the other.

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by bleachit
you can find just as much evidence for creation as you can for evolution.

Discounting the Bible as evidence, no you can't.

[bleachit]

do an online search, I am sure you wont come up with anything.

[Restola]

One thing though. I don't care if evolution is proved wrong, as long as its proved scientifically. I care about science. My beliefs don't involve faith. Just working to explain the world around us. I have nothing at stake. It doesn't mean anything to me personally. It wont effect my life in the least. You however can never accept your faith being wrong...ever...no matter what the facts show.

No matter how far this trying to prove whatever discussion continues, its worthless.

[sgt_easton]

OK, a couple of things....

gamarada717 - If you think every religion has a God, you're not reading enough.

tony3 - "our nation is christian." These are percentages of the population of the United States as reported in the 2000 census.

Christianity - 76.5%
Nonreligious/Secular - 13.2%
Judaism - 1.3%
(The rest are below 1% each, and I don't feel like typing them all, but I'm not saying they don't exist or anything.)

My point is, 3/4 does NOT make a whole nation something.

1stdeadeye - "Teach Reading, Writing , and Arithmatic! I'll teach my children right from wrong." is the best statement yet. That is, I'm applying it to keeping religion out of public schools.

bleachit - "Atheism is definately being taught and favored in school." Wrong. Websters Collegiate Dictionary defines an Atheist as "one who denies the existence of God." There is no public school that I have ever been to, or heard of, that is actively saying "there is no god."
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Now on to proving/disproving creation. In my opinion, the bible cannot be used as a factual source. It is a great book, has a lot of good teachings, but in the end, you don't know if it's fact or fiction. If I take out my Mead notebook and write in it "bleachit pranced around naked at school yesterday" will any of you believe it? Or will you want photos? You know what, let's pretend I never said that. It'll get way out of hand.

My point is, citing the bible as a source is downright pointless. How is this situation different: I take out my journal, write in it that yesterday I went to the zoo. Then I bury it, and someone finds it in 1000 years. When someone reads it, the zoo won't be there because a new mall will be, and they won't know who wrote the book. Would you believe some guy went to a zoo that you don't know ever existed 1000 years ago?
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/ is a very good site that I suggest everyone take a look at. It's also very handy for research papers in high school/college.

...I await the onslaught....

[bleachit]

"bleachit pranced around naked at school yesterday"

bah, you leave UB before I show up, besides, you dont know what those 5 pm classes are like.

and I have actually had a college professor say there is no god, and a bio teacher who was pretty close to that.

and the Bible quotes were for the Christians, not meant to prove anything to anyone else.

[sgt_easton]

I also have to add -

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States" NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1.

This being said, statistically speaking, it will eventually be the majority. Will people still call the US a christian nation then?

[Sir_Brass]

Originally posted by sgt_easton
I also have to add -

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States" NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1.

This being said, statistically speaking, it will eventually be the majority. Will people still call the US a christian nation then?

what we mean by "Christian nation" is that we were founded upon Christian principles. It's been researched and proven that the vast majority of the founding fathers were orthadox Christians and were active church leaders in their areas.

Also, Islam may be fast growing, but like the vast # of americans professing Christianity: the majority of those converting to Islam won't actually be islamic, just simply profess to be and do nothing to support that claim.

[Restola]

Originally posted by bleachit
and I have actually had a college professor say there is no god

Who cares what a college professor says?

Wasn't everyone else here talking about the public schools?

It's amusing though that you seem to think you are so under attack from your teachers, but never experienced anything negative until college. You were what? 20? Must have been pretty tramatic.

sgt_easton, please don't try to provide evidence for either side. It's worthless, off topic, and will certainly get this locked.

[bleachit]

actually, I took bio in 9th grade, of a public high school. to be perfectly clear.

[Restola]

To be perfectly clear, your bio teacher didn't say anything.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by sgt_easton
I also have to add -

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the United States" NEW YORK TIMES, Feb 21, 1989, p.1.

This being said, statistically speaking, it will eventually be the majority. Will people still call the US a christian nation then?

It is the fastest growing percentage wise. However going from 1 million to 1.5 million is indeed a 50% jump, however your starting point was far lower. For terms of numbers, the Pentacostal Christians (sp?) are blowing everyone away.

[sgt_easton]

Originally posted by Restola

sgt_easton, please don't try to provide evidence for either side. It's worthless, off topic, and will certainly get this locked.

Right, shame on me for doing some homework! I guess we can just call each other poopy-heads. It could end up being more fun.

[Restola]

Originally posted by sgt_easton


Right, shame on me for doing some homework! I guess we can just call each other poopy-heads. It could end up being more fun.

Well next provide evidence for why cheese tastes good, 'cause we're not talking about that either.

[sgt_easton]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


It is the fastest growing percentage wise. However going from 1 million to 1.5 million is indeed a 50% jump, however your starting point was far lower. For terms of numbers, the Pentacostal Christians (sp?) are blowing everyone away.

Growth factor is still the speed at which the population grows. If it stays constant, which there is no way to prove, it <b>will</b> become the most practiced religion. And no, just FYI, I am not Muslim. I wanted to state that so people don't think I'm biased.

Originally posted by Sir_Brass
Also, Islam may be fast growing, but like the vast # of americans professing Christianity: the majority of those converting to Islam won't actually be islamic, just simply profess to be and do nothing to support that claim.

This could end up being true, but there is no way to really know until it happens and they are polled.