What KIND of a COUNTRY do we live in......

[impostal22]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by taylor492
[B]

Originally posted by yeahthatsme
due to the fact that church and government have to be kept seperate by law.


Wrong. Thats people's biggest misconception. Separation from church and state is NOT law. It was in some speech, cant remember who by, but it is not law.

law is all about interpretation. one law can have twenty different meanings to twenty different people, mostly because they are defined on a broad level. jefferson interpreted the first amendment as creating a separation of church and state, and it stuck. why? because it is the most logical (and popular) interpretation of the first amendment. that won't change until the supreme court decides that jefferson's interpretation was incorrect. so yes, separation of church and state IS law, because it is how the first amendment is interpreted by the judicial system.

[Crime Dog]

Here's an interesting question. The Constitution states that Congress shall make no law establishing a religion, or prohibiting the FREE exercise there of.

My "religion" (man I hate that word) says to me, that I am to acknowledge marriage as only the union between a man, and a woman. Period. That is a part of my faith. Therefore, when Congress decides that they're going to allow two people of the same gender to marry (thus, making it a "legal" thing to do...a LAW), I am than forced to participate in and actively recognize something that prohibits me from freely exercising my religion.

That is unconstitutional. The Governement can NOT make me recognize same sex marriage, Constitutionally. It's prohibiting the free exercise of my religion. It's FORCING me to accept something and approve of something that in fact goes against my faith and practice of religion.

Therefore, homosexual marriage is in fact...unconstitutional.

[PissedGodzilla]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


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[shartley]

Originally posted by taylor492
Anytime religion is mentioned within the confines of government today people cry, "Separation of Church and State". Many people think this statement appears in the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution and therefore must be strictly enforced. However, the words: "separation", "church", and "state" do not even appear in the first amendment. The first amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." The statement about a wall of separation between church and state was made in a letter on January 1, 1802, by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut. The congregation heard a widespread rumor that the Congregationalists, another denomination, were to become the national religion. This was very alarming to people who knew about religious persecution in England by the state established church. Jefferson made it clear in his letter to the Danbury Congregation that the separation was to be that government would not establish a national religion or dictate to men how to worship God. Jefferson's letter from which the phrase "separation of church and state" was taken affirmed first amendment rights. Jefferson wrote:

I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. (1)
The reason Jefferson choose the expression "separation of church and state" was because he was addressing a Baptist congregation; a denomination of which he was not a member. Jefferson wanted to remove all fears that the state would make dictates to the church. He was establishing common ground with the Baptists by borrowing the words of Roger Williams, one of the Baptist's own prominent preachers.

Got all this off of

http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html

GREAT POST! It kind of puts a different spin on things doesn't it?

[impostal22]

Originally posted by Crime Dog
Here's an interesting question. The Constitution states that Congress shall make no law establishing a religion, or prohibiting the FREE exercise there of.

My "religion" (man I hate that word) says to me, that I am to acknowledge marriage as only the union between a man, and a woman. Period. That is a part of my faith. Therefore, when Congress decides that they're going to allow two people of the same gender to marry (thus, making it a "legal" thing to do...a LAW), I am than forced to participate in and actively recognize something that prohibits me from freely exercising my religion.

That is unconstitutional. The Governement can NOT make me recognize same sex marriage, Constitutionally. It's prohibiting the free exercise of my religion. It's FORCING me to accept something and approve of something that in fact goes against my faith and practice of religion.

Therefore, homosexual marriage is in fact...unconstitutional.

you are misinterpreting the first amendment..completely. nobody cares if you recognize same sex marriage. it's about the government recognizing it. that's just one of the many flaws in your argument. i just woke up so i'll continue later, after class.

[shartley]

Originally posted by impostal22
you are misinterpreting the first amendment..completely. nobody cares if you recognize same sex marriage. it's about the government recognizing it. that's just one of the many flaws in your argument. i just woke up so i'll continue later, after class.

[cphilip]

Ok this thread is more or less now a repeat of the other thread going on. Plus some incidents of cursing and flamming. So carry this on over to the other thread and lets tone it down the few of you that cannot seem to control you emotions...in the other thread.

Closed for evolving duplication.