What KIND of a COUNTRY do we live in......

[shartley]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
and this is THE essential part of this. The J/C culture that exists in this country for the most part does NOT attempt to subject the homosexual culture to their mores.

In fact, it's exactly the other way round, the homosexual culture has repeatedly attempted to subvert the J/C culture to thier own ideas.

[spantol]

I'm pro-gay "marriage-or-equivalent," and even I can agree with this. If you want social changes enacted into law, there's a branch of the government with which you ought to work to accomplish that. And it ain't the judiciary branch.

Originally posted by shartley
So I say?. Let them try to change the laws. If they can get them changed legally, then fine. If not?.

[yeahthatsme]

it would be agains the law to outlaw it because its a sin, due to the fact that church and government have to be kept seperate by law.


i think that it should be allowed, what THEY want to do is what THEY want to do, why should you guys care?

[bornl33t]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What KIND of a COUNTRY do we live in......

Originally posted by dansim

look its rooster! im only kidding heat calm down, now help me with my stereo will ya, anyway i know that none of you can change my mind especially over the internet, so im done trying to change yours, we are all different people and are entitled to our point of veiw, as sick and twisted as that may be. Enjoy your argument...err i mean debate

nah, I'm trying to be synical about a topic that's been beaten to death, besides... unless you are indeed pissedgodzilla then I wasn't talking to you neccisarily (sp? cause I'm lazy today )

but your right... back to the stereo....

[CasingBill]

Originally posted by Crime Dog
Casing:

I agree with you believe it or not. I'm simply trying to make an argument to those that support homosexual marriage, without using "God" to back me up. See, for a person that is atheist, even agnostic, using "God" to back up your belief that homosexual marriage is wrong will not work. They don't have the same starting assumption/belief (that there is a God.) Therefore, using that approach usually doesn't...well...work!


You said: "To have morals you must believe in God." I don't ENTIRELY agree with that. I've known plenty of atheists/agnostics that did in fact have a "moral" ethic they abided by, yet did not believe in God, or any sort of "higher power." Now, ultimately, I believe that the ethic they lived by WAS in fact FROM God, even if they didn't acknowledge as such.


Do you see where I'm coming from? It COULD hypothetically be argued that something like homosexual marriage...something that doesn't build our civilization, doesn't have to be recognized as legitimate. Civilization (from a secular standpoint) defined what marriage was...and should not be changed...for previous reasons stated.



Understand what I'm getting at?

I agree with this also. I didn't quite say it right though. I believe that they are not connecting the dots as to where right and wrong originated.



I hear ya. Perfect sense to me.

[PissedGodzilla]

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Originally posted by Thordic
The only positive thing gay people have contributed to society is lesbian porn.
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Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


LOL!!!

That is quite funny!

and true!

That's such a childish thing to say. There have been many imprtant people in history that have been proven to have been homosexuals... gimme some time, I'll find it online....


And a message for heat: Grow up you immature homophobic, ignorant unintelligent belligerent loser... I am trying to have a civil discussion and you keep coming in here being an a-hole. you don't know me or anything about me... you keep telling me to **** off and you better hope we don't meet... count on that.

[PissedGodzilla]

Jeez I go an get busy at work and all hell breaks loose... I think it is a good debate as long as people remember to be civil...

[bornl33t]

Originally posted by PissedGodzilla


That's such a childish thing to say. There have been many imprtant people in history that have been proven to have been homosexuals... gimme some time, I'll find it online....


And a message for heat: Grow up you immature homophobic, ignorant unintelligent belligerent loser... I am trying to have a civil discussion and you keep coming in here being an a-hole. you don't know me or anything about me... you keep telling me to **** off and you better hope we don't meet... count on that.

lol, looks like I got a rise outta him finally. Get it? A rise...I personally think this is a gay conversation. You might not be right about legalizing ***gotry, but you your right about one thing you better hope we don't meet. I'm a big boy.

[taylor492]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yeahthatsme
[B] due to the fact that church and government have to be kept seperate by law.


Wrong. Thats people's biggest misconception. Separation from church and state is NOT law. It was in some speech, cant remember who by, but it is not law.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Heat


lol, looks like I got a rise outta him finally. Get it? A rise...I personally think this is a gay conversation. You might not be right about legalizing ***gotry, but you your right about one thing you better hope we don't meet. I'm a big boy.

So is Pissed Godzilla! A real big boy!

PG,
You gotta admit Lesbo porn is one of the better contributions to civilization made by the gay community!

[taylor492]

Anytime religion is mentioned within the confines of government today people cry, "Separation of Church and State". Many people think this statement appears in the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution and therefore must be strictly enforced. However, the words: "separation", "church", and "state" do not even appear in the first amendment. The first amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." The statement about a wall of separation between church and state was made in a letter on January 1, 1802, by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut. The congregation heard a widespread rumor that the Congregationalists, another denomination, were to become the national religion. This was very alarming to people who knew about religious persecution in England by the state established church. Jefferson made it clear in his letter to the Danbury Congregation that the separation was to be that government would not establish a national religion or dictate to men how to worship God. Jefferson's letter from which the phrase "separation of church and state" was taken affirmed first amendment rights. Jefferson wrote:

I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. (1)
The reason Jefferson choose the expression "separation of church and state" was because he was addressing a Baptist congregation; a denomination of which he was not a member. Jefferson wanted to remove all fears that the state would make dictates to the church. He was establishing common ground with the Baptists by borrowing the words of Roger Williams, one of the Baptist's own prominent preachers.

Got all this off of

http://www.noapathy.org/tracts/mythofseparation.html

[1stdeadeye]

Here is a nice link for all you liberals!

Even your front runner Kerry is against Gay marriages!

Click here for the story!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by shartley

sam I understand exactly what it is you're saying.

But like the song says I won't back down.

I'm tired of the constant attacks on my religion and I'm not going to sit idly by anymore.

It seems it's ok in this country to attack anything to do with the Judeo-Christian beliefs, but Lord help the person who says one bad thing about gays. Now you've commited real sin boy!

Never mind the fact that the hypocrisy of the diversity crowd is overlooked constantly by the media and the libs in this country.

Makes me want to puke.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Here is a nice link for all you liberals!

Even your front runner Kerry is against Gay marriages!

Click here for the story!

Is it just me or does Kerry look French.

[impostal22]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Here is a nice link for all you liberals!

Even your front runner Kerry is against Gay marriages!

Click here for the story!

democrats and republicans are BOTH centralist parties, so they can capture the most votes. meaning hardcore liberals (i don't think there are any on this board anymore) would not pick the democratic candidate either. i dunno, i guess i'm arguing semantics because i've posted all day...basically i'm just saying you shouldn't relate liberals to democrats and conservatives to republicans. the candidates' platforms for each are becoming almost identical...sadly.