The day the terrorists won....

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Re: Re: The day the terrorists won....

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


Duplicate thread.

I made the same point in FactsofLife's thread. IT sends the wrong message. But that is Europe for you. Let's bury our heads in the sand and run away.

How can you run away when your head is buried in the sand?

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
Horsecrap, they voted out the incumbents beacuse they supported the US in the war.

PERIOD.

It's amusing really. People who can't grasp the politics in their own country in terms other than Black/White or US vs THEM think they have a complete understanding of politics in another country.

The Spanish have been dealing with murderous terrorists (the ETA) for far longer than the US. The last government was VERY popular because of its stand against the ETA. However they were suffering for their participation in the Iraq war. That and MANY other issues that face incumbants was working against them. The quick move to blame ETA and try to make political fuel out of the bombing certainly didn't help their cause for re-election.

The British government may suffer a similar backlash. As the justification used for war has been disproven, Blair has come under heavy political fire. The British know a thing o two about fighting terrorism too (IRA). Americans should know them well since most of the IRA's funding is/was from the US.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Jonneh
Spanish government: We support war in iraq
Spanish People: o rly?
SG: why do you vote out of government?

You are so wrong!

The ruling party was ahead and expected to win until the bombings.

Spanish People: We give up. Don't bomb us anymore!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


It's amusing really. People who can't grasp the politics in their own country in terms other than Black/White or US vs THEM think they have a complete understanding of politics in another country.

Right, then I guess ALL those Spaniards that were interviewed lied when they said they were voting the party out because of their governement's support of us in the war.

Go stick your head back in the sand kid, let the adults save civilization once again.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife
Right, then I guess ALL those Spaniards that were interviewed lied when they said they were voting the party out because of their governement's support of us in the war.
Go stick your head back in the sand kid, let the adults save civilization once again.

Kid? That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you don't know what you're talking about ...

And of course a news story is going to give you a balanced view of voter intentions.

But, even if the War in Iraq is the ONLY defining issue. You're ignoring a hell of a lot of evidence that shoots down ALL the justification used leading up to the war.

The new president in Spain has even made a rather balanced statement about the whole affair. He won't pull the troops out if the UN becomes more involved.

The sad thing is that if 1/100 th of the money being spent in Iraq and Afganistan were spent combatting hunger, providing unbiased education, and providing health care, most of the terrorists wouldn't be able to recruit suicide bombers.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast

The sad thing is that if 1/100 th of the money being spent in Iraq and Afganistan were spent combatting hunger, providing unbiased education, and providing health care, most of the terrorists wouldn't be able to recruit suicide bombers.

So you think?

Religion is what is driving them. That and hate. You are a fool if you think otherwise.

BTW, Unbiased education? Only if the NEA is not involved!

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Religion is what is driving them. That and hate. You are a fool if you think otherwise.

Which is taught to them by hate-mogers in the only free residential schools that parents can put their kids in.

Hate which is bred, from the deplorable conditions that they are toiling and starving in, conditions that force parents to give up their children or watch them starve.

The willingness to commit suicide bred by the desparation and pointlessness of a life that they don't see improving.

Those that instigate the hatred and violence MUST be stopped and punished. But until the ROOT causes are delt with, they'll kill us because we kill them and the cycle will continue.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


Which is taught to tham by hate-mogers in the only free residential schools that parents can put their kids in.

Hate which is bred, from the deplorable conditions that they are toiling and starving in, conditions that force parents to give up their children or watch them starve.

The willingness to commit suicide bred by the desparation and pointlessness of a life that they don't see improving.

Those that instigate the hatred and violence MUST be stopped and punished. But until the ROOT causes are delt with, they'll kill us because we kill them and the cycle will continue.

Not if we kill them all first!

Seriously though, It is their own leaders holding them down and there. Countless millions of dollars of aid has been stolen by the leaders of these people.

In Palestine/Israel imagine how much money they all could make if they had a true and lasting peace. They would become the ultimate tourist destination. They could add billions to their economies. I know I would love to visit Bethlehem and Jerualem, but not until I know it is 100% safe for my family and myself.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Seriously though, It is their own leaders holding them down and there. Countless millions of dollars of aid has been stolen by the leaders of these people.

In part, true. But the warlords in Afganistan are now more powerful thanks to the fact that we used them to combat the Taliban.

The current Pakistani leadership is supported regardless of their background.

Aristide in Haiti and the Duvaliers before were all helped regardless of how they treated their populations.

Saddam was a great ally of the US and wasn't repremanded as he used US supplies and equipment to gas the Kurds.

True and lasting peace happens when people have something to look forward to. For that you have re-instill hope in the population.

Otherwise, whether it's Afganis, Iraqis, Haitians, Palestinians, or Russians. If all they see is the suffering and horror brought about on them for their supposed good, they understandably choose what they see as the lessser of two evils. Better the old corrupt system where you knew that at least if you stood in line for a day you'd get a loaf of bread than the post-war/revolution anarchy where you risk starving to death.

[Southpaw]

But, even if the War in Iraq is the ONLY defining issue. You're ignoring a hell of a lot of evidence that shoots down ALL the justification used leading up to the war.

"In one place and one regime, we find all these dangers in their most lethal and aggressive forms, exactly the kind of aggressive threat the United Nations was born to confront," Bush told the General Assembly. "Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger. To suggest otherwise is to hope against the evidence. Saddam Hussein has made the case against himself."

After appeasing the U.N. by announcing that the U.S. would return to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization, Bush told the international body that Iraq must comply with U.N. sanctions or be punished accordingly.

"We will work with the U.N. Security Council for the necessary resolutions, but the purposes of the United States should not be doubted. The Security Council resolutions will be enforced. The just demands of peace and security must be met or action will be unavoidable and a regime that has lost its legitimacy will also lose its power."

"Events can turn in one of two ways," Bush said.

Armed with a point-by-point list of Saddam Hussein's transgressions included in a White House paper entitled "A Decade of Defiance and Deception of the United Nations," the president detailed how Saddam has continued to develop weapons of mass destruction, engaged in egregious human-rights violations, participated in international terrorism, sought to evade economic sanctions and kept Kuwaiti property that should have been returned after the 1991 Gulf War.

Bush said Saddam has engaged in systematic human rights violations, including the "arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, summary execution and torture by beating and burning, electric shock, starvation, mutilation and rape" of tens of thousands of Iraqis.

"[Saddam] has fired ballistic missiles at Iran and Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Israel. He has gassed many Iranians and 40 Kurdish villages."

How much of that is false? I do not see why you stand behind/defend Sadam and Attack Bush are you forgetting that he invaded Kuwait and surrendered then violated those terms? I bet people like you kept telling the league of nations that Germany was no threat too Iraq was in violation of 18 or so resolutions we had more than enough RIGHT to go in!! The libs like you just do not remember that Clinton too said he had WOMD!

[cphilip]

Thats rather a mish mash of thoughts there SlartyBartFast
.... Not even connected however you try and draw some connections between them

There is no evidence Afgani warlords are more powerfull... That has always been a country of "Tribes". Some of which bow to forcefull sway by the Taliban who took over. Now certainly they vie for positions of power. Always have and always will. But you imply they are more powerfull than they ever were. And in fact they are just more powerfull than they ended up with the Taliban.

And then you mention Haiti. An elected government. One that still didn't work very well. Completely different historical failure of a poor impoverished Caribbean nation. Not something similar at all.

And then you jump to Saddam. Most of his supplies as you call them were not US supplied. Most of them were from Russia and France in the end. Most of them were obtained in indirect methods and ways. I know its really popular for everyone to blame the US. But it lacks in facts. Pure and simple.

And then you end with some real feel good commments that I not even certain what they had to do with proving any of your previous points. I like em... but I don't follow where they connect. They do not drive home any errors you previously lay down with a conclusion. So not certain what you wanted to accomplish with them.


Fact is Gentelmen that the Spainish backlash will do nothing but embolden terrorism. And fact is it was a direct result of the bombing. I have no idea where you guys want to claim it was some kind of distrust with their government that they voted out. It was a hysterical reaction to the bombing. Simple fact and easy to see. It will be held up to everyone that terrorism can affect elections and influence the relationships between countries fighting it. The Spainish reaction to it is understandable in thier moment of grief. But in the long run its a win for Terrorists all over. And when its evident they made a tragic mistake they too will find they are in a fight for thier lives and their peace. Just like we are.

[Rooster]

"The willingness to commit suicide bred by the desparation and pointlessness of a life that they don't see improving.

Those that instigate the hatred and violence MUST be stopped and punished. But until the ROOT causes are delt with, they'll kill us because we kill them and the cycle will continue."

The willingness to commit a suicide attack has nothing to do with a desperate society or conditions, it is a briliant tactic used by those with the power to motivate the foolish to do their bidding. A suicide attacker is the perfect soldier. They cause maximum damage with a minimal cost. As long as foolish people exist, there will be suicide attackers.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


Kid? That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you don't know what you're talking about ...

And of course a news story is going to give you a balanced view of voter intentions.

But, even if the War in Iraq is the ONLY defining issue. You're ignoring a hell of a lot of evidence that shoots down ALL the justification used leading up to the war.

The new president in Spain has even made a rather balanced statement about the whole affair. He won't pull the troops out if the UN becomes more involved.

The sad thing is that if 1/100 th of the money being spent in Iraq and Afganistan were spent combatting hunger, providing unbiased education, and providing health care, most of the terrorists wouldn't be able to recruit suicide bombers.

Yeah KID. Your views of the world and my country are childish at best and display all the earmarks of an immature selfish mind.

If that news story showed ONLY the other side as you claim, I'm smart enough to figure out what the OTHER side of it would be saying. Something I highly doubt YOU have the intellect to do.

You and your kind are nothing more than immature Bush haters shrilly screaming and stamping your feet while adding NOTHING to the solution.

If, as you say, all it would take is throwing more money at a problem, then tell me genius why is is that the most wealthy Arab states have failed MISERABLY to do so in PALESTINE????

Keep your liberal rants to yourself, you liberals and your misguided ideologies are why we have the problems we have in the world today.


throw more money at it. unreal.

[logamus]

when i heard the new spanish pm on the news today i was deeply saddened. the spanish people have given terrorists exactly what other european countries gave to hitler. they havent made themselves safer, they have simply shown that a few well placed and well timed bombs can change their government. it is not coincidence that since our military has been deployed taking the fight to the terrorists that our country has been safer. the world would be better off if europe realized that fact too.


i cannot imagine accepting life on my knees, but then again im not spanish.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by logamus

i cannot imagine accepting life on my knees, but then again im not spanish.

Or French.

Or a Porn Star.

Or a Democrat.