If everyone carried a gun...

[acecl22]

I believe it would go down, because no one would mess with anyone with a gun, unless they had a bigger gun :)

lol, that reminds me of a quote, not sure of the exact wording-- "yeah, we only use a 9mm, but when i put two in your heart and one in your head, you wont know the difference"

[Restola]

We don't give guns to anyone! No one would be required to carry them. Those that pass the criminal.psychiatric back ground check should be allowed to carry them!

I was about to reply to another post, when I re-read the title. "If everyone carried a gun...". Its a rediculous concept, one that has never been seriously proposed by anyone. If I had thought about that a little more I would have stayed away from this whole thread.

[Rob218]

well...look you still have the mentally unstable, they dont relize somethings, so they would run up on a guy with a .45
next, it was also never specified that anyone knew that everyone had a gun, so itd be a couple of trial and error runs before we found out.
next you have children who dont know better, they have magnums now.

so theirs the insane killing people, the ones on the trial and error ones dead, and children killing there peers.
hmm then also that person isnt gonna whip out a .45 with a cop standing next to em, are they, i mean if you know this guy is gonna rob you, you have to evidence to show the cop, and that person walks toward you...are you gonna kill him and get life in prison...

oh and what about the death rows and lifers
they are gonna die, so hmp why do you flip out on the prison with a nice gov't issue .45

and please dont call people who are not as smart as you and say a different opinion "barely passed puberty"

im 38 (well past puberty) and im showing how crime would go up


and my homer quote in my sig about guns...guns can be tools...tools to let your anger out as long as its at the range, or shooting skeets, or hunting...but keep it legal

There's a guy commonly known as Darwin. Isn't there a little thing he discovered called Natural Selection? When the insane obtain their weapon and charge a person that is not insane, can think clearly, and knows his gun is in his back pocket, what's to stop him from killing the dumb one charging him? Eventually people would learn not the screw around with the others for knowing their *** will be shot. Not once, not twice, but emptying the clip if need be. Even the people messed up in the head would know not to going around Your 16 year old mind shouldn't need to cuss to get his point across, not to mention cussing violates the forum rules, so does circumventing the filters. Don't do it again. Army with others.

You also brought up the people on death row and the ones that have life sentences....Aren't they in prison? Where are they going to get guns? From the Guard? 1 9mm vs. a prison control team armed with mp5s...well..I think that the odds of the criminal coming out on top is very slim. After all..How often do you hear on the news or whatnot about a "lifer or person on death row" escaping? It's because they're in lockdown knowing they are going to die. Guards don't simply let them out and say, "Here, go run around. You need some exercise." No. They are there for a reason and chances of them getting the weapon are very slim.

There's my 16 year old logic. Oh yes, anyone competent and able to use a weapon, should be issued one for protection. In case you couldn't tell.

[Restola]

There is still the problem that anyone willing to break the law (like "insane" people) already have weapons.

You people insist on playing the game of picking scenarios where it doesn't matter if you have a damn rocket launcher, you aren't getting out of it alive.

You're right, if someone ran up behind you and shot you in the head, you wouldn't be able to use your gun to defend yourself.

But you know what? That insane person that just did that can be stopped by another gun-carrying citizen. Unlike now, where the insane person would still have a gun but is also free to kill anyone they want until the police showed up.

http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/Crime.htm

[Sparq]

Even if those of you who say crime would go up are right...it wouldn't stay up for long. Those who commit violent crimes without 'justifiable cause' would end up dead at the hands of those who do not. In fact, if violent crime were to spike, it may be better in the long run - yes, some 'innocents' would die...but so would almost all the criminals.

[sneakyhacker420]

not trying to be racist or anything...

crime would increase in 'ghetto' areas, but decrease in white areas

[Restola]

not trying to be racist or anything...

crime would increase in 'ghetto' areas, but decrease in white areas

Any particular reason for this assumption? Considering the criminals in the "ghetto" already have guns. You'd simply be giving weapons to law abiding folks.

Hey the same is true in white areas...

[SanDiegoMag]

WHAT!? are you kidding? you ARE allowed to have a gun in most public places. It just cant be concealed. For example here in san Diego, you are allowed to have a rifle/shotgun slung across your shoulder, and as long as you are'nt shooting it, it is legal. So ya, carying a gun, even if not used, will make crime go down.

[darklord]

Whats going to help you now, without being allowed to carry a gun? We can all think up scenarios where having a gun wouldn't help (how about while floating in space?) In other words, your aguement is worthless.

Alright, and what's your argument? More guns=more fear. If people are too afraid of being shot, they'll commit less crime? If everyone were allowed to carry a gun, meaning not everyone necessarily would, that would include even those who should not own a gun (ex. an insane person). I can't see any logical way of quarantining this population as of now.

As for "whats going to help me now, without being allowed to carry a gun"... martial arts seems fitting. Most people will be submissive if someone is threatening their life anyway, be it with a gun or otherwise. That's all you can do, really, without much risk. Granted if you are armed, you can "defend yourself", but it won't help much if you're already being held at gunpoint (that in itself is a risk as well). Basically this leads to unnecessary slaughtering, especially if individuals are willing to take that risk. Already there are gun ownership laws and whatnot, so it's not like you can't keep a gun in your house to "keep your family safe" or whatever, so all you gun freaks can be happy. Personally I don't want to have to carry a gun around just to "feel safe". Do I really need to walk to work with an uzi just to let the guy next to me know not to "mess with me"? Give me a break.

[SanDiegoMag]

If everyone played paintball, no one would fear getting shot.. Nuff said

[wish-had-a-mag]

In your world everyone owns guns as well. Who's to say you don't just shoot him in the back of the head and take it?

He lives in Texas, everybody DOES have a gun.

[Ov3rmind]

The ghetto comment also made me think of something else: Take a look at gangs. They know very well that other gangs own guns, but does that stop them? Good God no, they mow eachother down.

Even if those of you who say crime would go up are right...it wouldn't stay up for long. Those who commit violent crimes without 'justifiable cause' would end up dead at the hands of those who do not. In fact, if violent crime were to spike, it may be better in the long run - yes, some 'innocents' would die...but so would almost all the criminals.

As long as people are being born, there will be enough people to do strange/violent things.

[dwab3000]

You also brought up the people on death row and the ones that have life sentences....Aren't they in prison? Where are they going to get guns? From the Guard? 1 9mm vs. a prison control team armed with mp5s...well..I think that the odds of the criminal coming out on top is very slim.

well look at the title

If everyone carried a gun...

so what criminals arent included in everyone...i think everyone means EVERYONE,also...the lifers and ppl on death row have nothing to lose. and your thought on darwin...i first off think you need to think about what you said because now a days guees what..DARWIN DOESNT APPLY..yep weve got warnings for everything...if darwin still applied those people on shows like jackass, cky, wildboyz, viva la bam...theyd all be DEAD... oh and the 1 9mm comment...theres no specific gun that they get...they could be running around with a polish ak-47 or a gov't issue .45

i think you should think before you type...there are factors and stated things that prove you wrong

[PyRo]

Of course there would be regulations on weapons that you could carry, pistols with x number of rounds, and only x amount of ammo on your person. People who met certain criteria would have there rights to carry revoked. We could even have a gun course in highschool, to ensure that people know what they are doing (IE don't shoot themselves in the leg because they don't know how to work the saftey), and know the laws.

[-Carnifex-]

As for "whats going to help me now, without being allowed to carry a gun"... martial arts seems fitting. Most people will be submissive if someone is threatening their life anyway, be it with a gun or otherwise.

Martial arts seems fitting if:

A.) You have time for it.
B.) You aren't physically challenge in any way (asthma, etc.).
C.) You aren't a small man or woman.
D.) They don't have a gun.

As someone said, Martial arts has taught him gun retention, thus even if you do know Martial arts, you'll still likely get shot.