My car was vandelized

[1stdeadeye]

That sticker? Rich Leftist

I meant ANY sticker though!

[FalconGuy016]

Its wrong that its your fault, but it is.

[1stdeadeye]

You want peace? Evacuate all the settlements, they do not provide "defense" for Israel and they cut up the west bank and make it a concentration camp. Have you seen the map of how divided the west bank is? Its criscrossed by settlements, it is like a prison. Make the West Bank continuous. Settlers are the biggest opponents to peace in the area. Assasination of Rabin anyone? Was it a Palestinian who killed a man working for peace, or was it a settler who thought that it was wrong to have peace with Palestinians living? They are the equivolent to the Arabs who say "Destroy Israel because they are Jewish". Well, guess what, the settlers have the attitude, "Kick out or kill the Palestinians because we are the chosen people and this is our land." Except that the settlers are basically people on welfare from Israel and the US. So #1 get rid of the settlers. Number two, get infrastructure going, you aren't going to end palestinian terrorism until you stop terrorizing them. Curfews, checkpoints, no water, no electricity, schools being shut down by soldiers, until you end the mass suffering, you can't have peace.

I have no problem with forcing the abandonment of the settlements. They cause more problems then they are worth. They cost to much to protect as well!

IRight of Return - This is not a country right, this is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT. It is not for a Prime Minister to say "we give up this right", this is the right that after a conflict has subsided, civilian refugees can return to their land. What happend in 1948 and 1967 is ethnic cleansing. There is nothing that can change what happend. Peace is meaningless without justice. You want to go hardline on Hamas and Islamic Jihad, go ahead, **** them over as much as you want. But you are only making problems worse by collective punishment.

First the right of return is not absolute. Look at Kosovo, should the Serbs force out 200 years ago be allowed to return? Or how about Cyprus? Should the Cypriots be allowed to return to the land the Turks conquered. The right of return would destroy Israel and thus will NEVER happen.

As for collective punishment, the Israelis have no other choice. As the Palestinian populace gives aid and comfort to the terrorists and hides them from justice, Israel must make it unappealing to assist the terrorists!

[NJPaint]

They have no other choice? So then I guess since most of Iraq at least in some pockets of fallueja support the radical Shi'ites we should destroy the entire city and make it known that if you support the enemys of the United States you will be obliterated!!! Who wants to ally with us!

[robertjuric]

blow em all up. then take their oil.

[bleachit]

They have no other choice? So then I guess since most of Iraq at least in some pockets of fallueja support the radical Shi'ites we should destroy the entire city and make it known that if you support the enemys of the United States you will be obliterated!!! Who wants to ally with us!

obvious/smart arse response to that question would be smart people who dont want to be obliterated.

[1stdeadeye]

They have no other choice? So then I guess since most of Iraq at least in some pockets of fallueja support the radical Shi'ites we should destroy the entire city and make it known that if you support the enemys of the United States you will be obliterated!!! Who wants to ally with us!

I think we should unleash the B-52s to Carpet bomb Najaf and Fallujah. Rebuild them after they are flattened!

[NJPaint]

I'm sure Iraq and the rest of the world would love us after that. If we did things like that, we wouldn't remember 9/11 because we would have hundreds of large scale attacks or attempted attacks a year, see the promblem that Israel is in.

[punkncat]

It takes a special kind of creep to go messing with a persons car. Thats the kind of stuff that requires ball bat to meet knee cap.

I also tend to agree with the bumper sticker........but thats another issue entirely.

[Albinonewt]

Which is why we should cut military aid unless they recognize human rights. Loose control of the situation? How??? What happend to Iraq? You don't think that countries fear that response?

What human rights would you make Israel recognize? They don't actually DO anything to the palestinians. People complain that they make it hard for Palestinians to go to work in Israel, but so what? Why does Israel HAVE to let palestinians into their country to work? Every other nation on earth has some sort of border control, why can't the most attacked country on earth? Then there's the complaint that the Palestinians live in poverty and terrible conditions. Well, so does most of the population in the middle east, Israel didn't cause it. The corruptness of the Palestinian government causes that. Palestina gets massive aid from the US and other nations and its never spent on feeding and housing its citizens like its supposed to be. The simple truth is Palestine is to blame for the bulk of its own problems.

Israel has however killed many Palestinian citizens, some terrorist and some "innocent". (I put innocent in quotes like that because a lot of times it isn't clear if they're innocent. Its usually people that get killed accidentally because of proximity to the targeted terrorist(s) or a gunfight. They themselves are not targeted by Israel and are an unfortunate byproduct of the war). Israel conducts targeted killings aimed at killing terrorists and terror leader and destroying weapons. I have no problem with that. Israel doesn't respond to suicide bombs by blowing up a mosque and killing hundreds. They go to the home of the terrorists that planned the attack and kill them. I don't like it when a civillian gets caught in the crossfire, but its the terrorists themselves that put those people in that situation. Israel can't NOT retaliate just because the terrorists hide among civillians. Its an ugly business but there's just no way around it.

On the other hand, if I were Israel I would stop the targeted killing. I'm not completely conviced its really helping and I'm very certain that whatever benefit there is to the targeted killing it is outweighed by the negatives, which is constant condemnation by a very anti-Israeli and pro-Palestinian UN security council. I really like Sharon's policy of Unilateral disengagement, and I hope and pray he pulls it off. Because that will finally protect the Israelis, return a large portion of the land Palestine claims, and it will do that all without Palestine's cooperation. I pray every day for that.

[Albinonewt]

well im not african (notices the sereotype there and isnt amused) and im not poverty stricken,[/b]

What stereotype? African nations are among the poorest in the world. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with geography and corruption.

[1stdeadeye]

What stereotype? African nations are among the poorest in the world. It has nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with geography and corruption.

Amen to that! THat is what was meant! Africa is extremely poor!

[Albinonewt]

Automags.org: Where 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Link? Oh wait, we are listening to statistics? So what about the Israeli organization studies that show that Israel intentionally targets civillians, shown by the number of head shots? Or the number of Palestinians civilians killed relative to the number of Israelis killed? Or the fact that all the Palestinians are living in a ghetto, where as Israel gets our 3 billion a year check?

Hmmm.......... Well, i can't find a good link, but reading as much on the subject as I do I remember numbers not to dissimiliar from that.

As far as our money goes. I don't see you advocating we cut off aid to Palestine who DEFINITLY targets civillians. You seem convinced that Israel does it based on nothing more then "look at the wounds" but the palestinians definitly do it. I haven't heard you say once we should cut off their aid though.

And not all Palestinians are living in ghettos. A significant part of the population doesn't.

[Albinonewt]

They have no other choice? So then I guess since most of Iraq at least in some pockets of fallueja support the radical Shi'ites we should destroy the entire city and make it known that if you support the enemys of the United States you will be obliterated!!! Who wants to ally with us!

Although I don't advicate killing all the civillians in the city by leveling it I definitly think its time to take the golves off with them. I would stop refusing to retaliate to attacks just because the terrorists hide among civillians. Its possible to kill the terrorists without killing all the civillians. Some would die, and that would be a tragedy, but terrorist violence can't be left unanswered.

[NJPaint]

Hmmm.......... Well, i can't find a good link, but reading as much on the subject as I do I remember numbers not to dissimiliar from that.

As far as our money goes. I don't see you advocating we cut off aid to Palestine who DEFINITLY targets civillians. You seem convinced that Israel does it based on nothing more then "look at the wounds" but the palestinians definitly do it. I haven't heard you say once we should cut off their aid though.

And not all Palestinians are living in ghettos. A significant part of the population doesn't.

End Aid to Palestinians? What aid? It is illegal to give money to the Palestinians because you will become a "terrorist". Cut off aid to Hamas and Islamic Jihad? I agree wholeheartedly, but then again, we aren't PAYING them to kill Israelis, we are paying Israel to do it. Link to the aid we give to palestine... Also, giving money to them doesn't do anything, it all evaporates. But they need the help more than the Israelis do, like I said, they need water, electricity and you want to talk security...

Palestine doesn't target civilians, Terrorist groups do. If you think all Arabs are terrorists, well **** you racist. You want to hit terrorist groups hard financially, I'm all for it, but saying that Palestinians want to kill off all Israelis is wrong. The best is to compare the Settler's goals to Hamas' goals. They are the same in terms of aims, except that the settlers are welfare children, living off of US tax dollars doing absolutely nothing for ANYONE and Hamas blows stuff up, but also build schools, provide food for the poor and build shelters. Black Panthers anyone? THIS DOES NOT MAKE WHAT THEY DO RIGHT! Both groups need to be eliminated, but trying to eliminate one extremist group and turning a blind eye towards another just fuels their cause.