Michael Moore Wins in Cannes

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

We have a very clear plan. Its just that they're are bad people in Iraq that have a plan too, which involves oppresion, not freedom. And those guys dont like our plan.

Correct me if im wrong but the US was in Germany for a while after WW II.
That turned out pretty good.

Germany, and Japan were totally different rebuilding processes. We went in with coke and candy bars instead of M16's in Japan.

So I don't think we can compare the two situations.

[Toranaga]

We have a very clear plan. Its just that they're are bad people in Iraq that have a plan too, which involves oppresion, not freedom. And those guys dont like our plan.

Correct me if im wrong but the US was in Germany for a while after WW II.
That turned out pretty good.

For your first point: YEs But there are also many places that have far worse conditions becuase we have knocked out thier power and water. How many months did it take for power and water to come back to Baghdad perminantly (if it has even been done).

Also, What have we built in Afganistan that has greatly improved the general quality of life since ousting the Taliban? Most of the country is ruled by warlords also.

For your second point: That was also after Woodrow Wilson pushed for self-determination in his Fourteen Points, after World War I. There was a reason why the time I listed ended before WWI.

[1stdeadeye]

Germany, and Japan were totally different rebuilding processes. We went in with coke and candy bars instead of M16's in Japan.

So I don't think we can compare the two situations.

What?

We firebombed and destroyed Japan! For God Sakes, we nuked them! The difference is that we did not utterly destroy Iraq first.

We killed more with the firebombing of Dresden than the first nuke did! Germany was in utter ruins.

I guess you are right. To make it similar I propose we utterly destroy Iraq first and then rebuild it.

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

I agree with you, but I think a whole alot of the world stills sees us as we were in the Cold War. Fighting and idealogical battles which tear countries apart.

The world would be a far better place, had we just let communism spread and then destroy itself eventually.

[CaptaiN_JacK]

the world would also be a better place if bush was out of power. but that wont happen until january so lets just sit back and relax.

[Toranaga]

In many places it is also far worse off. Again (referring to my post above), how long did it take us to just bring the standard quality of life back to normal in Baghdad?Yes, we have helped and rebuilt other countries, but we have also left countries decimated and have not done anything also.

No, the US is not perfect, but we are far from just marching all over the world throwing our weight around and leavening messes wherever we go.

[1stdeadeye]

and on a side note, check this site out. its great. www.moveon.net

im sure a bunch of you conservatives will dismiss it as crap before you even watch the ads, but thats because youre scared of the truth. and for the bush administration, the truth does hurt.

Yes, this is the same site that had ads comparing Bush to Hitler on it. They sure are credible. God I can not wait for Kerry to collapse so you little brats will crawl back into your holes.

[FactsOfLife]

i love moore. hes a liar. he miguides people to think the way he wants them too. and the best part is, its going to help put bush out of office! now dont you just LOVE the guy!

and on a side note, check this site out. its great. www.moveon.net

im sure a bunch of you conservatives will dismiss it as crap before you even watch the ads, but thats because youre scared of the truth. and for the bush administration, the truth does hurt.

Weren't you banned?

[FactsOfLife]

Germany, and Japan were totally different rebuilding processes. We went in with coke and candy bars instead of M16's in Japan.

So I don't think we can compare the two situations.

This is what happens when you sleep through history class....

[shartley]

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

This is what happens when you sleep through history class....

not really, we also had the emperor telling the people what we wanted, and being that they thought he was God they kinda felt like listening to him.

[Toranaga]

All of this is in responce to Shartley's latest post (so there is no mix up):

I understand that things tend to get worse before getting better, but the time it takes for us to do many things seems to be outrageous.

Yes, and then their our people who can never find any faults. People have to acknowledge their faults (and their countries faults) but many Americans and many people on this board seem to be incapable of that.

The only place where anything has really changed in Afganistan is in the capital city and the area closely surrounding it.

I do not know if the second to last paragraph of Shartleys is directed at me or not, but if it is: I never not once said it was noble to slam our country.

I wouldn't have as much of a problem with what re government does if the general public acknowledged the faults once in awhile, instead of proclaiming the US the greatest thing.

Thanks,
Andrew

[FactsOfLife]

not really, we also had the emperor telling the people what we wanted, and being that they thought he was God they kinda felt like listening to him.

You have GOT to be kidding right? RIGHT?

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

You have GOT to be kidding right? RIGHT?

Actually I'm completely serious, here is the info on the Japanese emperor http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2135.html

And now why don't I just type a little passage that I have from my history book

The World Since 1945

They (Japan) appreciated the site of U.S. GIs brandishing, not rifles, but chocolate bars and chewing gum. Even more important for securing the active support of the Japanese was the decision by the U.S. authorities to retain the emperor on the throne rather than try him as a war criminal, as many in the US had demanded. INdeed, one important reason why the Japanese were so docile and cooperative with the US occupation forces was that their emperor, whom they were in the habit of dutifully obewying, had implored them to be cooperative.

So in short, I'm completely serious and have the information to back up my statements.

[taylor492]

Germany, and Japan were totally different rebuilding processes. We went in with coke and candy bars instead of M16's in Japan.

So I don't think we can compare the two situations.

Yeah when we invaded Germany and Japan, we threw candy bars at them till they surrendered.

Id like to hear a WWII vet's thoughts on your point of view