intel benchmarks?

[cphilip]

yeh....i could not be happier with my G4 Powerbook. Best damn computer I've owned (two Gateways, one old school Mac).

Oh, Phil, have you figured out this expose thing....whoa!

Nope thats the only thing I still not figured out really.... I can look at the text and find the HTML there but its a rather involved scanning through thing if its a complicated one. But thats all I been able to discover at this point. Have not tried looking into that in Explorer. Was concentrating on Safari for now. I believe its all in the browser and not the OS though if I am not mistaken.

[cphilip]

Anyway about the mac's I'm not saying the new ones aren't nice... but retarded expensive. Cphilip, what did you pay for that? Right NOW it probaply outperformes my pc. next year with 300$ I'll be outperforming yours. It cost's me ~300$ a year for a new mobo and processor to stay current. it cost's a mac owner what? 1200$ a year to stay current?

Didn't cost me anything. Work buys em for me. So thats not really fair I guess to compare to that.

If I remember the G5 cost me about 3500. Thats with a new 17" flat screen apple display and a gig of ram. And the Powerbook was 2800 with the 15" wide screen and a gig of memory added.

The new G5 is totaly upgradable. Just like a IBM based PC. Slots and cards and all. The stuff is however a bit more expensive that is true. However its interface is superior because its designed specificaly for only one exact architecture. And its not compensating for various other bottle necks and designs. Its all one standard. So its like buying the best of anything. So its a bit more expensive as it were but not so much if you were to compare it to the very best and newest of anything available for an IBM based PC.

[Kevmaster]

Nope thats the only thing I still not figured out really.... I can look at the text and find the HTML there but its a rather involved scanning through thing if its a complicated one. But thats all I been able to discover at this point. Have not tried looking into that in Explorer. Was concentrating on Safari for now. I believe its all in the browser and not the OS though if I am not mistaken.

do what now? I'm talking about the window moving feature when you hit F9 on the keyboard....

[Blennidae]

Ok so here's my next question. what rating does a centrino and/or a PM have that compares with a p4-3000? since the fastes centrino or pm I've seen was around 1700mhz if I'm remembering right?

We really need to do about with clock speeds and find a standart to rate processing power.

I don't know what the fastest mobile processor is, but chances are its still going to lag a bit behind a p4 3.0. Remember desktops have the benefit of huge fans and big power supplies. Mobiles have to figure battery life and such into the equasion.

I think a lot of the bias againt Intel is that they are the "400lb. Gorilla" and AMD is the little guy. Both companies make quality products, and having both around is good for innovation.

I don't know if I agree with the statement "Amd's have outperformed intel in desktop applications since the late staged of the p2's". I do remember a test on THG when they removed the heat sinks on AMD and Intel processors, and the AMDs proceeded to melt down and one took its MB with it.

While I am biased, I would not buy an AMD processor laptop, based on their past heat/power consumption performance. Unless they have made some huge breakthru in mobile processors I'm unaware of.

I think the whole PC speed thing is a lot like BPS in paintball. One may be fractionally faster than the other, but the average user is not going to be using it to that point. I upgrade when the new games start running slow on my PC. How much power does it take to surf the web, type a letter, etc.

I am told Intel is coming out with a new speed numbering system for their processors that is going to make it even more confusing. The reason being everyone saying that Ghz alone is no longer the only factor in processor performance.

If the purchase were mine to make, I'd pick the Centrino speed I could best afford, and then start looking for reviews of specific laptops that use it.

[SIGSays]

https://www.go-l.com

you'll thank me later if you can afford one...

[painTech]

people upgradethere macs every like4 years, thats essentially when theystart to suck. people upgrade pcs every other week. yeahits a little exagerated but youget the point. when you by a mac its like buying the greatest pc in the world, all software you need isincluded, and it doesn't crash, it has a nice interface, and its very very pretty.

[Blennidae]

I am on the CNet mail list and got this a couple days ago and just looked at it today. Might be of some interest.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3122_7-5133713.html

[Blazestorm]

All depends on what you're doing.

I play games, I have an AMD 64 3200+, Gig of Mushkin PC3200 DDR400, and an ATI Radeon 9800 128mb Pro.

Someone who does heavy video editing or creates 3D stuff and needs very quick render times on highly complex scenes, a nice G5 or something would do well.

My dad owns both a PC and a G5 simply because he has audio editing programs that are only made for the mac, while others made for the PC. That's all he uses them for, also has a laptop to do some more extensive work with his keyboards. My mom has a laptop for her work, 17" widescreen... crazy... than my sister also has her own laptop for basic stuff pretty crappy.

It really depends on what you do, and how well you can tweak your computer. I made a celeron 466 with 256mb SDRam and FX5200 128mb run UT2004 at 30fps and 800x600x32. As well as have a faster running desktop and internet explorer than many other computers I've used.

Gaming = AMD
Video Editing, 3D Rendering, High-End stuff = Intel
Video Editing, 3D Rendering, High-End stuff = Apple

Intel can also be used for gaming, but it tends to score lower than AMD's on benchmarks. I also recommend ATI cards for gaming simply for the fact that they kick *** in benchmarks. I was going to get an x800 xt until I got back into paintball =)

[Buff]

Video Editing, 3D Rendering, High-End stuff = Intel

er......a high end Opteron system is cheaper then a high end Xeon system, and way faster.......


also, AMD's dont produce near as much heat and suck as much power as they used to. A P4 at 3ghz will do as much damage as an A64 at 2ghz.

If i bought a P4, it would be a Centrino. Battery power would last longer then a P4-M due to lower clock speed, and it dosn't need near as high clock speed to do stuff.

Buff

[Blazestorm]

Yah, but again, AMD-FX53 will KILL a pentium 4 3.2 (even extreme edition) in all game benchmark tests.

In other things listed, they're about equal, but yeah, I swear by AMD now

[painTech]

a powermac g4 widescreen 17 inch is a really nice setup.

[Bluestrike_2]

in defense of my G5.

Ok, I had running(just to see how far this sucker could go)
- Adobe Photoshop - Batch Editing about 200 75meg photographs to thumbnail size
- Adobe Illustrator - Working in
- Adobe InDesign - W/ Illustrator and Photoshop to create a brochure
- Strata 3d Pro - Rendering a complex 3d model(s)
- Wings 3d - Used to create a polygon model
- iTunes - Gotta have my "Summon the Heroes" playing

Open, but not using:

- Safari - 5 tabbed windows
- Mail
- iMove - Just got finished with a project
- Adobe After Effects(Demo) - Composition
- iDVD - Was going to burn
- GarageBand - Open project for movie(Home Theater Intro DVD)

Granted, there was some slow down, but I could still bounce around quite easily. Man, Expose was getting a lot of use at that time.

As proof.....

BTW, it's not like I was doing any super important work like this. Don't worry, I'm not THAT stupid. Still, after all the loading, the responsiveness was pretty darn good.

Apple PowerMac G5 Dual 2.0
Ah heck, you know the rest...

Show me any Windows machine that can do this....

[Blazestorm]

Gimme a sec, I'm gonna load up photoshop, pinnacle, premiere, maya and do some hardcore stuff, as well as some other misc. programs and see how my AMD 64 does =)

What other programs should I run I got UT2004 and original UT... etc. etc.

[Buff]

hey, uhm, bluestrike......

an Athlon -FX with a quality setup can do that, and be cheaper.......

the reason why Macs have a reputation for photoshop speed is because they have always had a larger cache size then intel's and AMD's.......
but The FX has twice the cahce size as the barton, and 4 times the cache size as the AXP.

An equal priced A64 system will be faster then a Mac in everything.
I am not saying PC's are better......its preference. Some people like chevvy's, some like fords. U pay a premium for macs because they dont have as wide of a market. if they weren't so expensive.......

[Automaggin2]

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Very very nice laptop for the money. Extremly fast, too. Great battery life.