Revisional History?

[Hasty8]

If you want to make a thread attempting to revise history during Reagan's Presidency, please do so elsewhere.

Okay, so I'll do elsewhere. Here to be exact.

How am I revising history?

Because I put forth that Reagan was not the solitary reason for the collapse of the USSR as everyone else seems to be deluded into?

Because I put forth that Reagan, as President, had a responsibility to look after all of his constituents and not just those he liked, as every President should do?

Please, feel free to yell, rant and rave at me here.

Explain to me how the upsurge in nationalism in the USSR was inconsequential.
Explain to me how, even though over 60,000 people had died from AIDS between 1981-1987 and another 30,000 had contracted it during the same period yet Reagan never even publicly said the word until mid-1987?

I'm not the one revising history.

[Brak]

dude. seriously. calm down.

[Hasty8]

dude. seriously. calm down.

I am perfectly calm. I'm here for the debate. If no one wants to discuss then the thread vanishes.

It does agravate me when people say stupid things like "He was responsible for the down fall of Russia" and other non-sensical statements like that.

[PissedGodzilla]

Albeit, I was young when RR was in office. he was in office from my birth till I was eight.


Here's what I remember: Iran Contra, S&L Crisis, the most federal indictments of government officials under one President EVER, and Trillions of dollars in debt... Oh yeah the stock market crash too, and the loss of blue collar jobs...



We didn't win a cold war, the Russians imploded. We are still paying for that debt.


All that said, it is never a good day when a leader dies. He will be missed.

[Hasty8]

THANK GOD!!!

That's all I was saying in the other thread but then again, perhaps I was using words that were too big.

Yes, it's sad to see a President pass on. Hell, it's sad to see anyone we know pass on. Mainly because it reminds us of our own mortality.

What I do not understand is this need to essentially lie to ourselves at the time of their passing. It's like we are trying to make ourselves feel good or something.

[1stdeadeye]

"The good a man does is intertwined with his bones" Julius Ceaser by William Shakespeare.

The man isn't even in the ground yet and you feel the need to attack.

First blame the spread of AIDS on the Drug Addicts, Homosexuals, and those having unsafe unprotected sex. Reagan was not a scientist. He did not invent AIDS. He did not discover it. Hell America did not understand it. He did not spread it. Put the blame where it belongs. Oh yeah I forgot this is America where everyone is a victim and everything is someone else's fault.

As for the USSR, the arms race bankrupted them. Reagan was not the sole cause for their demise and no one has said so. THe USSR was in decline already. Reagan accelerated that with the increase in miitary spending. When we went from a 200+ ship Navy to a 400+ ship Navy, the Soviets could not keep up. We literally outspent them and bankrupted their country. That finished off their slow decline with a loud bang.

PG,
We are still paying for the debt FDR ran up with his New Deal too. You were also a kid and seem to only remember what you were fed by your liberal teachers. What about Stagflation, the Iranian Hostage Crisis, a horrible reccession Reagan inherited. Stagflation is one of the worst economic crisis our country has ever faced. Reagan's policies stemmed that and set us on the course for prosperity we are in now.

As for Scandal, at least Reagan never slept with a Whitehouse Intern and then perjured himself bringing eternal discredit to his office.

As for your stock market crash, Black Friday in October 1987 was followed by a prolonged rally, so learn history before you make yourself look foolish!

"The evil men do lives on forever"-the first part of the above quote.

I am saddened by the lack of class you both have shown. Let them put him in the ground first.

[Hasty8]

"The good a man does is intertwined with his bones" Julius Ceaser by William Shakespeare.

The man isn't even in the ground yet and you feel the need to attack.

Why should I stop attacking the man simply because he is now dead?

First blame the spread of AIDS on the Drug Addicts, Homosexuals, and those having unsafe unprotected sex. Reagan was not a scientist. He did not invent AIDS. He did not discover it. Hell America did not understand it. He did not spread it. Put the blame where it belongs. Oh yeah I forgot this is America where everyone is a victim and everything is someone else's fault.

I'm not blaming the spread of AIDS on Reagan. And if you had a clue about the actual spread of it you would apologise for the rampant stupidity you just put forth. The true case of the spread, and this is verifiable fact, was due to the complete and utter lack of protection of the US' bloodbanks.

The first case of AIDS in America was recorded in early 1981. It took Reagan until April of '87 before he ever even spoke the word AIDS in public. Perhaps had he done so sooner our blood banks would have been more up to speed and perhaps the funding for a proper screen test would have been in place.

Do you honestly think that drug addicts and homosexuals could kill 60,000 and infect another 30,000 in America between 1981 and 1987?

As for the USSR, the arms race bankrupted them. Reagan was not the sole cause for their demise and no one has said so. THe USSR was in decline already. Reagan accelerated that with the increase in miitary spending. When we went from a 200+ ship Navy to a 400+ ship Navy, the Soviets could not keep up. We literally outspent them and bankrupted their country. That finished off their slow decline with a loud bang.

How loud a bang was it? Reagan left office in 87 and the Union collapsed in 91. Of course, I guess that the upsurge in nationalism also had nothing to do with their collapse and that the reluctance of the Party to change also had nothing to do with their collapse.

I agree that the Union spent far too much on heir military but to attribute that to Reagan is also flawed as it is Congress that approves spending and not the President so I guess we all owe the collapse of the Union to the Congress of '80-'87.

PG,
We are still paying for the debt FDR ran up with his New Deal too. You were also a kid and seem to only remember what you were fed by your liberal teachers. What about Stagflation, the Iranian Hostage Crisis, a horrible reccession Reagan inherited. Stagflation is one of the worst economic crisis our country has ever faced. Reagan's policies stemmed that and set us on the course for prosperity we are in now.

As for Scandal, at least Reagan never slept with a Whitehouse Intern and then perjured himself bringing eternal discredit to his office.

As for your stock market crash, Black Friday in October 1987 was followed by a prolonged rally, so learn history before you make yourself look foolish!

"The evil men do lives on forever"-the first part of the above quote.

I am saddened by the lack of class you both have shown. Let them put him in the ground first.

I'm saddened by the lack of individual thought that you have. So because Reagan inherited a recession then the S&L thefts were okay? Then Iran-contra was okay? Using your earlier argument then REagan was responsible for the spread of AIDS in America today becasue he sacntion, through North, the sale of drugs in America. Those monies were then sold for gun to give to the Contras.

Perhaps had Regan not sanctioned those sales then there might not had been that much drugs out there to help spread AIDS.

Sorry of the whole "free thought" thing scare you.

[Hasty8]

As for Scandal, at least Reagan never slept with a Whitehouse Intern and then perjured himself bringing eternal discredit to his office.

As for your stock market crash, Black Friday in October 1987 was followed by a prolonged rally, so learn history before you make yourself look foolish!

Learn history before you make yourself look foolish?

I could say the same of you sir.

Republicans Involved in Sex Scandals as Much as Democrats

[FactsOfLife]

That's all I was saying in the other thread but then again, perhaps I was using words that were too big.

No, you chose words to be incredibly DISRESPECTFUL.

The only thing that's too big is your selfinflated ego, thinking your liberal pap is the truth of what really occured during Reagans Presidency.

The fact that you sorry leftists can't even show the merest shred of decency says VOLUMES about you.

[Hasty8]

No, you chose words to be incredibly DISRESPECTFUL.

The only thing that's too big is your selfinflated ego, thinking your liberal pap is the truth of what really occured during Reagans Presidency.

The fact that you sorry leftists can't even show the merest shred of decency says VOLUMES about you.

I was not disrespectful but now that you made me go a delete my posts I guess you can never tell. It's okay Facts, you can admit that you're just angry over how badly I proved you wrong about Genghis and him mimicry of the Roman Empire.

As for being disrespcetful, I started by saying that I though the ceremoney was very nice and that I watched it, even though I did not exactly like him as a president. When asked why not I refused to answer, deeming that particular thread not the appropriate place. Then when others started with the "He's the greatest prez ever" crap without their being rebuked for turning the thread political I saw it as being okay.

As for being disrectful look to your little sidekick Deadeye. He was the one calling people retarded by use of the smileys.

The one thing I was able to discover about your thread is how unwilling you are to hear a contradictory comment but those that support your beliefs you openly allow. Fairly communist if you ask me.

As for me being a liberal or a lefty just goes to show how quick you ar to label someone who has views other than yours. I perfer to go without labels but if I must be labeled please call me "moderate" as I am neither left nor right.

[Hasty8]

BTW Eye, you never did adress the very good point that Godzilla made in his first post.

As you said, Reagan increased our Navy from 200 to almost 400 ships and we are still paying for that debt. Is this another indication of the mans greatness or just his willingness to do whatever he fells is warranted without care for the repercusions.

I have never understood the desire for movie actors to get into politics. Peole with no schooling of economics, politics or even law are elected into some of the highest seats of power at the state and federal level and are expected to do a good job?

It's an absolute joke.

Reagan was a "good" President because he chose persona over politics and after Carter that's pretty much what the nation wanted and needed.

[PissedGodzilla]

PG,
We are still paying for the debt FDR ran up with his New Deal too. You were also a kid and seem to only remember what you were fed by your liberal teachers. What about Stagflation, the Iranian Hostage Crisis, a horrible reccession Reagan inherited. Stagflation is one of the worst economic crisis our country has ever faced. Reagan's policies stemmed that and set us on the course for prosperity we are in now.

As for Scandal, at least Reagan never slept with a Whitehouse Intern and then perjured himself bringing eternal discredit to his office.

As for your stock market crash, Black Friday in October 1987 was followed by a prolonged rally, so learn history before you make yourself look foolish!

I am saddened by the lack of class you both have shown. Let them put him in the ground first.

Why do Right wing Republicans think that Bringing up bad things that democrats have done makes the bad things republicans have done okay in comparison? Two wrongs DO NOT make a right...


Again, I prefaced my statement by saying I was a child when he was in office, So I don't feel I made myself look foolish by saying WHAT I REMEMBER. If you could inform me as to what stagflation was, I would, as always, be more than happy to listen (in this case, read)....

And how is it lack of class?!? I haven't said word one until just now, AFter he has been interred... I DID WAIT UNTIL HE WAS IN THE GROUND TO GIVE MY OPINION. So don't make yourself look foolish!

[Hasty8]

BTW Facts, I love how your little video says that the terror camps and abusive prisons were closed in Iraq. I assume that did not pertain to Abu Gharib, correct?

I just love how both sides, right and left love to pervert and twist the facts to suit their needs.

[PissedGodzilla]

The one thing I was able to discover about your thread is how unwilling you are to hear a contradictory comment but those that support your beliefs you openly allow. Fairly communist if you ask me..

Good point about their FoL's unwillingness to debate... It does sound very facist.

As for me being a liberal or a lefty just goes to show how quick you ar to label someone who has views other than yours. I perfer to go without labels but if I must be labeled please call me "moderate" as I am neither left nor right.

I would agree with Hasty here as well... If I think that a republican is the best man for the job, I WOULD VOTE REPUBLICAN.

[1stdeadeye]

Why should I stop attacking the man simply because he is now dead?

Because he is not even in the ground yet!!


I'm not blaming the spread of AIDS on Reagan. And if you had a clue about the actual spread of it you would apologise for the rampant stupidity you just put forth. The true case of the spread, and this is verifiable fact, was due to the complete and utter lack of protection of the US' bloodbanks.

The first case of AIDS in America was recorded in early 1981. It took Reagan until April of '87 before he ever even spoke the word AIDS in public. Perhaps had he done so sooner our blood banks would have been more up to speed and perhaps the funding for a proper screen test would have been in place.

Do you honestly think that drug addicts and homosexuals could kill 60,000 and infect another 30,000 in America between 1981 and 1987?

It was an unknown disease. No one new about it. And the fact is it did spread most quickliy through the drug culture, unprotected sex and homosexuality.

Do you ever give blood? I do it 2 times a year. The redcross asks if you used needle drugs or had homosexual sex. Why? Because they are conservatives? No you tool for safety!!!

How loud a bang was it? Reagan left office in 87 and the Union collapsed in 91. Of course, I guess that the upsurge in nationalism also had nothing to do with their collapse and that the reluctance of the Party to change also had nothing to do with their collapse.

I agree that the Union spent far too much on heir military but to attribute that to Reagan is also flawed as it is Congress that approves spending and not the President so I guess we all owe the collapse of the Union to the Congress of '80-'87.

You are a tool! Do you know anything about history? Reagan left office in January of 1989! Bush won the 1988 Election!!!! Presidents serve 4 year terms! Can you add?

THe upsurge in nationalism came from increasing freedoms as the central authority crumbled. Reagan proposes the budget and the military spending. Congress approves it.

I'm saddened by the lack of individual thought that you have. So because Reagan inherited a recession then the S&L thefts were okay? Then Iran-contra was okay? Using your earlier argument then REagan was responsible for the spread of AIDS in America today becasue he sacntion, through North, the sale of drugs in America. Those monies were then sold for gun to give to the Contras.

Perhaps had Regan not sanctioned those sales then there might not had been that much drugs out there to help spread AIDS.

Sorry of the whole "free thought" thing scare you.

You are entitled to your opinions, but maybe some facts would help you buttress your case. THe S&L crisis came from deregulation of the Banking industry not government corruption. As for Iran COntra, we still have covert ops going on today. I am sure the president knows about all of them.