Has Clare switched sides? (split thread)

[shartley]

Seems DB got himself in a gang war as a loner, bad move the AO clan wins again.

Nice post on the ban Miscue[not]

As for useing the gun went down as a reason[why?] just say it like it is. I aint no tech and I could get my gun back up in alot less then 2 weeks.

BINGO

Who pm'd who what and why?

I dont see what any type of PM could solve here... Havoc did deeds equivalent to that of dirtybunnies... its just retarded that one was banned and another wasn't.

[1stdeadeye]

I don't think Havok deserves a ban either. Two wrongs don't make a right. I am fresh out of a three day ban who everyone agreed was undeserved, but I don't have evidence of the bias because that thread was conveniently deleted. Cphillip used that "prior history" crap as well, and this is what he was referring to:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131060

I just read your thread and you were the one who started the name calling on it.

[1stdeadeye]

As for useing the gun went down as a reason[why?] just say it like it is. I aint no tech and I could get my gun back up in alot less then 2 weeks.

Except it is the truth. Her X-Kitty has been working on and off for about 2 months now. The gnomes in it must have died!

[-=Squid=-]

No, it's because you make decisions based on what you think is actual fact, when in reality, you're WAY off.

And I agree with Q and with Thordic. DB has been nothing but an pain in the arse, picking fights & saying stuff knowing full well that he'll ruffle feathers. He had 2 full pages of it before the thread was split.

Good riddance.

I read every post in here before the split, and have to I think your wrong. All it was was an argument, and miscue decided to ban one side of it for obvious reasons.

Be mad all you want; I Dont really care. My "Ruling" is/would be much more fair then Miscues. You just can't see past your clear dislike for Dirtybunny to realize that if one deserved a ban the other didn't.

Whats funny is you probably think it made me mad because DB and I Are buddies; when we are not. We've never even communicated before... im basing my opinion STRICTLY on what I've read in this thread, not with what you claim has happened elsewhere.

[Miscue]

I read every post in here before the split, and have to I think your wrong. All it was was an argument, and miscue decided to ban one side of it for obvious reasons.

Be mad all you want; I Dont really care. My "Ruling" is/would be much more fair then Miscues. You just can't see past your clear dislike for Dirtybunny to realize that if one deserved a ban the other didn't.

Whats funny is you probably think it made me mad because DB and I Are buddies; when we are not. We've never even communicated before... im basing my opinion STRICTLY on what I've read in this thread, not with what you claim has happened elsewhere.

Havoc has virtually no prior history of breaking rules. All Havoc did is say DB has a big nose or something. Now, how is it fair to ban Havoc for the same amount of time when this is the first time he got his name on the board, and DB has 25 check marks by his name? Heck, look at this thread. It's 3 pages long. Who instigated this, and hijacked the original thread? It was not both of them. Who has instigated this sort of thing several times in several hijackings? Not Havoc.

For those of you who believe it is a matter of favortism, you are dead wrong - and really I don't think you care so long as you get your way. If you want to make a point, effectively argue that Havoc does indeed deserve the same amount of time. All you have all done is made statements, without backing them up - as though those statements were self-evident. Such statements should not be taken seriously. Don't just assert claims, develop an argument which none of you have done.

[Miscue]

Whats funny is you probably think it made me mad because DB and I Are buddies; when we are not. We've never even communicated before... im basing my opinion STRICTLY on what I've read in this thread, not with what you claim has happened elsewhere.

Claim? Would you like me to prove it? This is the scenario - I'd end up spending hours doing this, proving it - and it still would not satisfy you... wasting my time. The burden of proof is on you. There's enough AOers who've been paying attention, noting that DB has been doing this contiunally. Don't ignore them.

So continual misbehavior is equal to single acts w/little to no prior history? You have a strange notion on how rules should be enforced.

[cphilip]

Not taking anyones side on this one as its Miscues action not mine but....I might point out Squid that I have warned you a few times myself.... And I have seen you warned by other mods. And I would have to take a look at the actions list but have you not been temp banned before? I thought you were.... Might be mistaken but can find out....

Things are accumulative. Not singular. Many of our members make a mistake or two and we overlook it. But we pay attention to repetitive behaviour. And when we warn people we expect them to just say "Ok sorry will do" and leave it at that. No harm done. Lately though some people seem to want to go postal over a simple warning. Thats not going to do either of us any good. And it kind of forces our hand then to be harsh.

We would rather people just moderated themselves. Its easier on everyone. And then there are no hard feelings.

Also note this is a very emotional subject for AO. And for Curtis as her Boyfriend. I would expect him to be a bit protective. And I would expect others here to expect that and perhaps turn the other cheek on that a bit. Not that its right. But its human nature and we all get caught up in it. Those of you that come here posting and acting as if your "outsiders" and commenting things that are sort of construed as "Anti AO.... I cannot figure out that one. If your paranoid but your here then its your own personal issue not mine. All of you are AO. If you don't feel like it then you have your own personal issues you need to work on.

[Miscue]

Not taking anyones side on this one as its Miscues action not mine but....I might point out Squid that I have warned you a few times myself.... And I have seen you warned by other mods. And I would have to take a look at the actions list but have you not been temp banned before? I thought you were.... Might be mistaken but can find out....

At least 2-3 times I believe...

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109120&highlight=squid

[cphilip]

At least 2-3 times I believe...
http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...ighlight=squid

Why is it that peeps that live in Glass houses is always throwin rocks?

[No sKiLLz]

I just read your thread and you were the one who started the name calling on it.

Is that what started everything? Really? OIC.

That must be why you bought a halo in a different shell. For the more reliable motor right?

It's the SAME equipment, with sound activation. Woo-hoo! Go you!

That's for you, since you are way cooler than everyone on this forum.

Defend your position. You are making unfounded claims, and your motivation is that you are upset with being disciplined, although deservingly... demonstrating no sense of accountability. Blame yourself.

It's so easy for you to try calling me out when evidence of bias has been deleted or sent in PMs. I'm speaking the truth, and if that causes trouble, shouldn't it be spoken regardless of what it does?

Seems DB got himself in a gang war as a loner, bad move the AO clan wins again.

Why do people feel this way? Do you think it's isolated? All the secrets you have in your private forum and your PMs, I have my own knowledge base of opinions about your behavior of which you have no clue. How many people PMed you about how unfair my banning was?

My biggest beef with the mods right now is that the punishment is biased, and does not fit the crime. I am not the only one who feels this way. Most people are too afraid of the mods wrath to say anything.

And as part of public record, DB states there was no warning prior to his 3 month ban.

[cphilip]

Ah well you would feel that way.... but your punishement came from your own over reaction to a warning. Unfortunately you exploded something that was rather mundane into something more than it should have been


By the way.... DB is not banned for three months.

[No sKiLLz]

Ah well you would feel that way.... but your punishement came from your own over reaction to a warning. Unfortunately you exploded something that was rather mundane into something more than it should have been


By the way.... DB is not banned for three months.

Over reaction? Too bad that thread was mysteriously deleted, because then I could show what the mod definition of over reaction is.

For those who didn't see it, after being warned in the thread that got me banned (being the ONLY one who was warned), my post consisted of cut-and-pasted quotes from other peoples posts which were at least equal to, or worse in severity to anything I had posted (and we know they were of at least the same caliber because AFTER Cphil was called out for issuing out a one sided warning he began issuing warnings to others and "cleaning up" the thread), for which I stated that he could go ahead and ban me and prove what a biased moderator he was.

And the sad thing is NONE of the posts in that thread warranted anything more than a "Hey, settle down, little buddy." but for some reason it got taken to the point where I get banned.

So who over reacted? And I have the same question for Miscue in this thread. It doesn't matter if he's not on a 3 month ban now. The fact is the original intention was to put him on a three month ban. Well?

[cphilip]

For those who didn't see it, after being warned in the thread that got me banned (being the ONLY one who was warned), my post consisted of cut-and-pasted quotes from other peoples posts which were at least equal to, or worse in severity to anything I had posted (and we know they were of at least the same caliber because AFTER Cphil was called out for issuing out a one sided warning he began issuing warnings to others and "cleaning up" the thread), for which I stated that he could go ahead and ban me and prove what a biased moderator he was.

And the sad thing is NONE of the posts in that thread warranted anything more than a "Hey, settle down, little buddy." but for some reason it got taken to the point where I get banned.

Well now your close to now being a liar....

You got warned before for flamming things and I told you that was detrimental to your arguments. I warned you again on that thread...

... and now the TRUTH of what happened.....this was your response as well as posting a string of pictures when you did respond to me in it with the F word thereby avoiding the curse filter... AND WHAT GOT YOU BANNED FOR THREE DAYS!!!!

Ban me. Show everyone what a biased moderator you are. I treat people with the same courtesy with which they treat me. After our last chat I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but obviously that was a mistake.


Whatever, guys. Since I do believe CPhillip is a biased moderator this will probably be my last post. In fact he will probably delete it so no one can see how biased he is. It's been fun trying to help you (AO) see through the crap these people try to feed you every day. Some of you realized it, some of you still circle the crap like flies. Good luck to you all.

Then the pictures which I also have....


And I left that up for the rest of the day. And still have it.

I was thinking of returning it after cleaning out all the nonsense flames by you and some others there. Unfortunately you had some good discussion there in that thread but had to start getting personal and then blew up on me. You were not the only one but the first I warned and in the end the MOST hot headed volitile and over reactive reponse to what should have been nothing. Your impatience cost you. No time elapsed at all before you went postal. And its time you took responsibility for your temper. You act without thinking and without watching to see how it all plays out. And it cost you that time. Some things you have to wait and see what gonna happen. This time you clearly did not. And pretty much asked for it. Common.... admit it. You could have thought it out or even contacted me privately before you posted that. And even given me a few more minutes to finish all my actions before you sealed your own casket with that nonsense.

Added on edit: Miscue never intended to ban DB for 3 months. And didn't....But thats got not really anything to do with your story now does it?

[magking1971]

Most people are too afraid of the mods wrath to say anything.

Do you know why I am not afraid of the mods? Because I don't do anything to receve the wrath of them.

"And as part of public record, DB states there was no warning prior to his 3 month ban."
So you have your friends back(DB) I can respect that, but you need to step back and look at why he was banned in the past and present and see how he is not the most stable of posters, he is gone for a few months then comes back with a crappy attitude, rinse, repeat.

Another of "my 2 cents" posts, enjoy!

[No sKiLLz]

Well now your close to now being a liar....

You got warned before for flamming things and I told you that was detrimental to your arguments. I warned you again on that thread..

... and now the TRUTH of what happened.....this was your response as well as posting a string of pictures when you did respond to me in it with the F word thereby avoiding the curse filter...

Ban me. Show everyone what a biased moderator you are. I treat people with the same courtesy with which they treat me. After our last chat I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but obviously that was a mistake.


Whatever, guys. Since I do believe CPhillip is a biased moderator this will probably be my last post. In fact he will probably delete it so no one can see how biased he is. It's been fun trying to help you (AO) see through the crap these people try to feed you every day. Some of you realized it, some of you still circle the crap like flies. Good luck to you all.

Then the pictures which I also have....


And I left that up for the rest of the day. And still have it.

I was thinking of returning it after cleaning out all the nonsense flames by you and some others there. Unfortunately you had some good discussion there in that thread but had to start getting personal and then blew up on me. You were not the only one but the first I warned and in the end the MOST hot headed volitile and over reactive reponse to what should have been nothing. Your impatience cost you. No time elapsed at all before you went postal. And its time you took responsibility for your temper. You act without thinking and without watching to see how it all plays out. And it cost you that time. Some things you have to wait and see what gonna happen. This time you clearly did not. And pretty much asked for it. Common.... admit it. You could have thought it out or even contacted me privately before you posted that. And even given me a few more minutes to finish all my actions before you sealed your own casket with that nonsense.

Where's the blowing up? I don't see where I lied. Why don't you post the quotes I cut and pasted? It looks like I posted exactly what I said. I already posted a link to the thread where the first warning came from, and it's clear from the reloader discussion that someone was late to the party. To sum up your actions in that thread and the one you deleted, if this were a nightclub and you were a bouncer, you would walk up to a fight, pull out the guy that was getting beat up on, throw him out of the club, and tell the guys doing the beating not to do it again. Tell me how this is much different from what you did?

The first time in the reloader B thread I DID contact you privately, and you STILL repeated your actions. So why would I do that again if it didn't work the first time? And why should I wait for you to warn everyone else? Shouldn't you have done it in the first warning post instead of just singling me out? Shouldn't your first warning have been addressed to everyone instead of just me? What was the benefit of giving me a personal reprimand and them coming back later to warn everyone else? Seems to me, if someones original intent was to be fair about a warning than everyone would get it at once.

And as far as the swear filter goes, I've seen plenty of complete, un-edited words on this thread alone that violate the filter, including one by Miscue, which are more blatant than the Hybrid sticker that is already edited with a Hybrid logo on my hopper in a picture of my gun doing the same balancing act, once again demonstrating how it only bothers you when certain people do it. It's not my fault that you took that sticker personally. What, did you think I put that sticker on my hopper just to send you a messgage? Ask anyone that goes to SoCal get togethers how long that sticker has been on my gun.

And DB has everything to do with it. He was treated the same way I was treated. Miscue's intent wasn't a 3 month ban?

Yo DirtyBunny, what's up dood! Hold on a second... /me hunts around for a button. Hey, looks like I found it!

Whoa cool! I found the 3-month ban button. Let's try it out! *CLICK*

Thank you for participating in my first trial run of the 3-month ban selector.

*Banned for: Flaming, disruptive behavior, and overall jackassery* -Brian

What was his intent, because it sure looks like it to me. In fact that cocky post leads me to believe he rather enjoyed doing it too. But maybe you have an explaination. After all, isn't that what forums are for? OPEN discussion?

Do you know why I am not afraid of the mods? Because I don't do anything to receve the wrath of them.

I think I put it in better words, but I appreciate you reiterating my point.