Bush Campaign Ad w/ Iraqi Soccer team

[-Carnifex-]

Actually it HAS made us alot safer. The administration has implemented hundreds of new tactics to keep this from happing again. Let hope they keep it up.

Haha, how has it made use safer?

[NJPaint]

OK...now shut your mouth when you dont know what you are talking about. This was in Patterson, NJ. 2 miles from me. In the ARAB section. They are NOT palestinians. They are supporters of terrorism. I take it you missed that channel 7 news? We are raiding their mosques and ridding this country of this sick scum as we speak.

I work in Paterson in the "Arab" section. I also have numerous friends in the "Arab" section. They are not all "supporters" of terrorism. A good portion of the Arabs in Paterson are Palestinians (hey, where do you think they go when Israel kicks them out?) I must have missed that news about celebrating in the streets. And I can guarentee that it was a very very small minority. Should we "raid all the churches and rid this country of the sick scum" of all the white people because of the Klu Klux Klan???? Virtually all American Arabs sympathise along with the rest of the country with all those affected by 9/11. You choose a few of them to extrapolate onto an entire population.

[NJPaint]

Actually it HAS made us alot safer. The administration has implemented hundreds of new tactics to keep this from happening again. Lets hope they keep it up, as I know they will keep trying.

Hundreds of new tactics in Iraq? Attacking Iraq made us safer? Or did you not read his question?

[Jeffy-CanCon]

...you cant destroy a commanding government (or dictatorship) and expect them to be able to run problem free in a few months, things like that take years.

Exactly. After WW2 Japan and Germany were occupied for about 10 years before copntrol was returned to the locals. It is folly to expect a successful handover in Iraq after only 1 year.

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... Iraq was invaded becuase the leader of their country violated the terms of his surrender to the US and the UN eleven years before. We enforced the terms of the original war. And the country hasn't been leveled. The damage done to Iraq is a joke when compared to the damage done to London, Berlin, and Japan. And last, I'd like to a see a tally of US caused deaths compared to people killed by suicide bombs. Then I'd like to see those two numbers combined and compared to the number of deaths Sadam himself caused.

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Correct (agreeing with Rooster = )

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Is it rasicst to say black men make the best wide recievers? A universal truth isn't rasicst. And no where did I say all terrorists are Arab. I said as long as there are Arabs, there will be a terrorist problem. By a great percentage they are uneducated, religiously fanatical, and completely and hopelessly ignorant. You can of course say the same of any other race or region, but the percentages are not nearly the same.

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Both those ideas and comments are racist - making a pre-judgement based on race as to a persons abilities/skills or political tendencies. Even if the comment about blacks as WR's is intended as a compliment. Re: the Arabs you mention their education & religion, as if those were "racial" aspects rather than socio-cultural. Race can't be changed, socio-cultural factors differ from individual to individual.

BTW - ALL humans are the same "race"!

Compare the number of civillians killed by Israeli Jews to the number of civillians killed by Palestinian terrorists. Its 10:1.

Maybe the media you read is more anti-Israeli than what we get in Canada (doubtful), but all the number I have seen over the past few years point to a ratio of 3-1 or 4-1.

But you know what? The Palestinians started it. I have no problem with them being on the bad side of that equation.

[-Carnifex-]

Correct (agreeing with Rooster = )

Eh, you can say that, but that's not the only or the main reason the current administration has said.

[NJPaint]

Maybe the media you read is more anti-Israeli than what we get in Canada (doubtful), but all the number I have seen over the past few years point to a ratio of 3-1 or 4-1.

But you know what? The Palestinians started it. I have no problem with them being on the bad side of that equation.

Palestinians started it? Only according to US text books. Zionism? Mass migration of Jews into a land where there are already people? Destroying of homes and forced expulsion of Arabs to make room for the would become Israeli Jews. How the heck do you say the "Palestinians started it?" That all happend well before a single suicide bomber blew himself up.

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Palestinians started it? Only according to US text books. Zionism? Mass migration of Jews into a land where there are already people? Destroying of homes and forced expulsion of Arabs to make room for the would become Israeli Jews. How the heck do you say the "Palestinians started it?" That all happend well before a single suicide bomber blew himself up.

I try not to make a judgement on this situation. I see terrorism on both sides and unfortunately the USA has picked one.

[mcveighr]

That's impossible. Republicans back Israel.

heh, I thought that would piss more people off.

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heh, I thought that would piss more people off.

I wish the US had three major parties.

The Moderates, The Democrats, and The Republicans.

The Moderates consisting of the more independent of the two parties along with true independents, while the D and R would be the "communists" and the "religious right." We'd leave them in the dust.

[VC8228]

How is destroying Iraq a fight against terrorism? The US military is destroying their country because the government thought Sadam was a threat because of all the weapons of mass destruction he did not have. They have every right to feel that way, thousands of innocent iraqis have been killed and so much has been destroyed. They quoted the coach and the star player, since when do journalists get a quote from every single player?

Agreed.

[Tunaman]

I work in Paterson in the "Arab" section. I also have numerous friends in the "Arab" section. They are not all "supporters" of terrorism. A good portion of the Arabs in Paterson are Palestinians (hey, where do you think they go when Israel kicks them out?) I must have missed that news about celebrating in the streets. And I can guarentee that it was a very very small minority. Should we "raid all the churches and rid this country of the sick scum" of all the white people because of the Klu Klux Klan???? Virtually all American Arabs sympathise along with the rest of the country with all those affected by 9/11. You choose a few of them to extrapolate onto an entire population.

I didn't say it was "ALL" of the Arabs in Patterson. But it was more than just a few. Maybe you should try and convince your Arab "friends" in Patterson that we are trying to HELP them. Being as you are "Pro Peace" and all, you should spread the word to them even more. Don't come to MY America and support the other side(terrorists). I assure you that you won't last long here.

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I didn't say it was "ALL" of the Arabs in Patterson. But it was more than just a few. Maybe you should try and convince your Arab "friends" in Patterson that we are trying to HELP them. Being as you are "Pro Peace" and all, you should spread the word to them even more. Don't come to MY America and support the other side(terrorists). I assure you that you won't last long here.

Uh, you're allowed to support terrorism here. That's the point of America.

[Tunaman]

Boy! I'll tell ya. For Americans, some of you guys have no respect for your own country! Kids are dying right now trying to protect YOU and secure YOUR future! I suppose you guys also support overthrowing the US Government too? Because obviously the Government that we elected is not doing what you want? You really ought to think about the thousands of men that have already died so that we may have and enjoy the freedoms and liberties that are upon us right now. If you can't support the government that we the people have elected than maybe start your own Political party. You might get somewhere...NOT!

[-Carnifex-]

Boy! I'll tell ya. For Americans, some of you guys have no respect for your own country! Kids are dying right now trying to protect YOU and secure YOUR future! I suppose you guys also support overthrowing the US Government too? Because obviously the Government that we elected is not doing what you want? You really ought to think about the thousands of men that have already died so that we may have and enjoy the freedoms and liberties that are upon us right now. If you can't support the government that we the people have elected than maybe start your own Political party. You might get somewhere...NOT!

Oh, right, instantly because I don't support the Iraq War I'm not a patriot. You still haven't told me how it's made us safer.

I don't support overthrowing the US Gov't, that's a ludicrous assumption. If you're going to debate, stick to the facts.

Yes, many soldiers have died to ensure my freedom, but not the ones in Iraq, unfortunately.

[Bluestrike_2]

Football is pathetic compared to what the Kenyans do. The dominate distance running. Hundred + miles per week, all at an extremely fast pace(for example: anywere from 5-6min on average). Usually barefoot. It's amazing....

Sorry for the thread hijack. Back on track now...