Bush Campaign Ad w/ Iraqi Soccer team

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Football is pathetic compared to what the Kenyans do. The dominate distance running. Hundred + miles per week, all at an extremely fast pace(for example: anywere from 5-6min on average). Usually barefoot. It's amazing....

Sorry for the thread hijack. Back on track now...

Yes, but it's for different factors, though genetics does play a role.

Altitude, lack of other mode for transportation, etc.

[NJPaint]

I didn't say it was "ALL" of the Arabs in Patterson. But it was more than just a few. Maybe you should try and convince your Arab "friends" in Patterson that we are trying to HELP them. Being as you are "Pro Peace" and all, you should spread the word to them even more. Don't come to MY America and support the other side(terrorists). I assure you that you won't last long here.

Who am I trying to convince, they are all against terrorism, hell some were even pro-Iraq war. Hell, I was pro-Iraq war. Not because of WMD, because it was all BS, not because of 9/11, because that was all BS, but because Saddam was an evil dictator. Which is the only reason that has held up. Spread word to them "even more" because they are the ones blinded by hatred? Some of them lost family members, students at my high school lost parents. Two houses down from me lost the father and an older brother. Trying to "help them" because we are the all so great Americans looking out for everyone else and spreading goodwill towards the rest o the world who is "THEM" you mean other Arabs??? That assumes that ALL arabs think alike. That the Arabs in Paterson think exactly like fundamentalists in Iran or Iraq. Which they don't, just as you don't think exactly like the white Europeans.

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I'd fully back the Iraq War had they come out and said that we're going in to remove Saddam because he hurts his people.

[Tunaman]

Oh, right, instantly because I don't support the Iraq War I'm not a patriot. You still haven't told me how it's made us safer.

I don't support overthrowing the US Gov't, that's a ludicrous assumption. If you're going to debate, stick to the facts.

Yes, many soldiers have died to ensure my freedom, but not the ones in Iraq, unfortunately.

The Patriot Act has made you safer.
Homeland security has made you safer.
"Yes, many soldiers have died to ensure my freedom, but not the ones in Iraq, unfortunately". That my friend is an ignorant statement which devalues the lives of the very servicemen fighting for YOU. You ought to rethink that one..
I DO feel for the Iraqi people that think we shouldn't be there, but as soon as they realize that we are trying to HELP them the better off we will all be.

[NJPaint]

I'd fully back the Iraq War had they come out and said that we're going in to remove Saddam because he hurts his people.

But Iran hurts people. Sudan hurts people. Turkey hurts people. That isn't a good enough reason.

[NJPaint]

The Patriot Act has made you safer.
Homeland security has made you safer.
"Yes, many soldiers have died to ensure my freedom, but not the ones in Iraq, unfortunately". That my friend is an ignorant statement which devalues the lives of the very servicemen fighting for YOU. You ought to rethink that one..
I DO feel for the Iraqi people that think we shouldn't be there, but as soon as they realize that we are trying to HELP them the better off we will all be.

We would all be safer if we gave up all medical privacy, all travel privacy, all purchase privacy etc. If we had to have papers to go state to state. If every single person had to give a DNA sample to the Federal Government, we would all be safer. We'd be safer with 100 ft walls around everything.

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The Patriot Act has made you safer.
Homeland security has made you safer.
"Yes, many soldiers have died to ensure my freedom, but not the ones in Iraq, unfortunately". That my friend is an ignorant statement which devalues the lives of the very servicemen fighting for YOU. You ought to rethink that one..
I DO feel for the Iraqi people that think we shouldn't be there, but as soon as they realize that we are trying to HELP them the better off we will all be.

Oh my God. Can't you read? I asked you many, many times how the Iraq War has made me safer. Is it that you just overlook this part or don't know?

The Patriot Act hasn't necessarily made me safer, but it has violated, or at the very least weakened my Fourth Amendment Rights.

Homeland Security, honestly can't say either way. We'll just have to see.

I don't think I'd care if you're trying to help when my house is destroyed or my friends / family killed. Honestly, I can't say that when put in their position I wouldn't see this as the lesser of two evils.

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But Iran hurts people. Sudan hurts people. Turkey hurts people. That isn't a good enough reason.

Yes, but not on the level Saddam has. Also, we've had problem with Saddam.

If Bush has come out and said that Saddam was a dictator and needed to be removed because he hurt his people, disregarded sanctions, etc. then I'd back this war.

[Tunaman]

well we all believe what we want to believe. Obviously, our opinions on the situation differ greatly so i will leave it at that. No sense in argueing any further. Just a last note on the war making you safer...
By taking the fight against terrorism overseas where they live and breed, we have been able(with the help of Pakistan and others) to capture or kill quite a few of Bin Laden's associates. You are safer now because of this. Don't think so?

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But how many people have we enraged in a volitile area? How does Saddam being out of power make us any safer? That's what the war was for.

[Tunaman]

But how many people have we enraged in a volitile area? How does Saddam being out of power make us any safer? That's what the war was for.

I do hear ya Bro. Alot of people are mad at the fact that we are there. After we get rid of this Al Sadr punk, I am sure things will settle down. It WILL get better for everyone.

[Machina123]

The Patriot Act has made you safer.
Homeland security has made you safer.
"Yes, many soldiers have died to ensure my freedom, but not the ones in Iraq, unfortunately". That my friend is an ignorant statement which devalues the lives of the very servicemen fighting for YOU. You ought to rethink that one..
I DO feel for the Iraqi people that think we shouldn't be there, but as soon as they realize that we are trying to HELP them the better off we will all be.

as said before the patriot act does not make me feel directly more safe in my current surroundings. all it does is give the government more controll over what they can and cant do, in this case, can do. i feel the patriot act is and always will be completely un-neccesary. im even disgusted they called it the patriot act when there is nothing patriotic about it. sadly if terrorists want to harm us they will. there are many of them already here, and where theres a will there will always be a way.

[e mag]

Sadam Hussein gassed thousands of his own people with weapons of mass destruction that he never had. Prety good trick. I wonder how he did that??? Don't be ignorant to the fact that he was a dangerous man in the middle east. In the last eight years, America (Clinton administration) allowed terrorists to enter this country illegally. They proceeded to murder 3000+ of our own families and friends. Something HAS (had) to be done. I see GWB doing just that. SOMETHING is alot better than nothing at all.

He didnt use the chemical weapons he never had, probably just the ones that the US government gave him. And yes, it is sad that 3300+ died, and something should be done, but how does invading a country that, as current information shows, had nothing to do with it? That makes no sense at all! Yes he was a dangerous man, along with several other dictators. Why aren't we going after any of them, just iraq?

Incorrect. Iraq was invaded becuase the leader of their country violated the terms of his surrender to the US and the UN eleven years before. We enforced the terms of the original war. And the country hasn't been leveled. The damage done to Iraq is a joke when compared to the damage done to London, Berlin, and Japan. And last, I'd like to a see a tally of US caused deaths compared to people killed by suicide bombs. Then I'd like to see those two numbers combined and compared to the number of deaths Sadam himself caused.

If we invaded because he violated 11 year old terms, then why did we wait so long, why were these violations only realized after 9/11?

Actually it HAS made us alot safer. The administration has implemented hundreds of new tactics to keep this from happening again. Lets hope they keep it up, as I know they will keep trying.

Why do we need to invade a country that had nothing to do with a terrorist attack to implement safety measures for our own country?

This could be a good debate, but i think several of the statements made show the ignorance of most users on this board. "You are either on the Right, or you are wrong." way to be open minded. And saying the invasion of iraq is justifiable because it does something about 9/11? why dont we invade every other country that had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Great logic! As for comparing the destruction in iraq to previous wars and comparing the current fundamentalist religious fanatics to the past, the past is the past the the present is the present. Times are different and you cant compare history to the present.

[Jack_Dubious]

heres a thought...

KGB stands for Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti, which translates into Commitee for State Security, which is synonymous for Department of Homeland Security.

I for one do not want the KGB in my country.


JDub

[lather]

Boy! I'll tell ya. For Americans, some of you guys have no respect for your own country! Kids are dying right now trying to protect YOU and secure YOUR future! I suppose you guys also support overthrowing the US Government too? Because obviously the Government that we elected is not doing what you want? You really ought to think about the thousands of men that have already died so that we may have and enjoy the freedoms and liberties that are upon us right now. If you can't support the government that we the people have elected than maybe start your own Political party. You might get somewhere...NOT!

Actually the Man WE elected is at home in Tenessee. Gore won the popular vote.

The ultimate support for our troops would to bring them all home safely from Iraq. I dont want to see any more Americans die in this quagmire. And before you doubt my patriotism Im ex Army 11B. Im curious did you serve in the military? Or is it easier for you safe at home to send someone else's kid in the war for oil? Seems real easy for you to accuse those that are concerned about the well being of their fellow Americans in Iraq as not being patriotic.
I am and continue to support the war against al qaida/the taliban and the search for bin laden in Afghanistan, however Iraq is a whole different story.

First we were told by Pres Cheney/Bush that we are invading Iraq because of links to Bin Laden and al qaida. When that couldnt be proven it was WMD's. When no WMD's were found, cheney/bush changed their tune saying its a war for the liberalization of the Iraqi people.

Why didnt we invade Saudi Arabia? Wasnt most of the Hijackers on 09/11 Saudi? How come we dont invade N. Korea? Its PROVEN they have WMD's and a large portion of their population is starving.

So far all the partriot act has done is make us more paranoid and changed our chief export to the world from hope and democratic ideals to one of fear and paranoia. I personally dont feel any safer especially knowing statistically I have a much more higher chance getting killed by a drunk driver than by an act of terroism.


There is a positive side to this, the ominous nature of what Cheney/bush is offering to the future of this country is getting a lot of people more involved in the political process. More and more people are starting to see cheney/bush's real interest in promoting the advancemant of the very wealthy and huge corporations. I predict their will be a record voter turnout this year. :)