Petition for Marine Under Investigation

[Echo419]

Petition Signed...

James Brown - Kill Them All

[PyRo]

Yup, war crimes put yourself in that soldiers boots.

You're getting shot at, people you know have been killed perhaps even while you watched. The enemy who wants nothing more to kill you is lieing on the floor presumed dead then he starts moving. What is he doing? Pulling the pin out of a grenade? Just turning over? You have moments to react, the lives of you and your fellow soldiers depend on your decision. Do you neutralize the threat or preserve the life of the man who wants you dead?

[bornl33t]

You people take everything Army says as gospel. I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm sure I'd be a little edgy in that situation as well. But I'd like to think that I wouldnt kill him, theyre still people.

I find it hilarious that you posted that right after SBF posted the Saddam, Bin Laden, WMD thing.

welcome to my ever growing ignor list. I'm not going to dignify that post with a credible answer.

[-Carnifex-]

War crime? Your blatant ignorance is showing bright and yellow my friend.

These terrorists do not belong to any government body.

These terrorists do not belong to any sanctioned military body.

These terrorists never signed any accord/agreement/convention/or have a note from Mom.

These terrorists have but one goal: Kill Americans wherever they are.

As civilians taking up arms, they come under no protective status and, in fact, are deemed criminals by UN/world court/US courts/international agreement.

As criminals, they will die in whatever way a soldier deems necessary for the safety of his people and mission.

The Marine acted correctly and swiftly. The reporter knows not of what he saw or filmed.

War sucks, but staying alive to fight another day is paramount. The bad guy forgot that.

We'll see.

[SlartyBartFast]

These terrorists...

But were they terrorists? Certainly the insurgents might be classified as such, but they aren't the only ones in Falluja and elsewhere.

And, even if the person killed/murdered was an insurgent, using the "terrorist" card to justify killing them means you have no right to moan or belly-ache if they DO booby trap bodies or kill American prisoners and hostages.

This and Abu-graib prison have certainly put America (at best) in the "better of the evils" catigory in many minds. For those that are too limited to think in other than good vs. evil, American action is difficult to classify as "good".

[skife]

War crime? Your blatant ignorance is showing bright and yellow my friend.

These terrorists do not belong to any government body.

These terrorists do not belong to any sanctioned military body.

These terrorists never signed any accord/agreement/convention/or have a note from Mom.

These terrorists have but one goal: Kill Americans wherever they are.

As civilians taking up arms, they come under no protective status and, in fact, are deemed criminals by UN/world court/US courts/international agreement.

As criminals, they will die in whatever way a soldier deems necessary for the safety of his people and mission.

The Marine acted correctly and swiftly. The reporter knows not of what he saw or filmed.

War sucks, but staying alive to fight another day is paramount. The bad guy forgot that.

agreed army.

[PissedGodzilla]

so let me get this straight... the guy was shot up ... on the floor.... he moved because he was still alive... then the marine says... he's fakin he's dead!! and then he him to make him dead...

what if the guy was reaching out trying to ask for help... Military code of conduct in a war dictates that we treat the wounded of BOTH sides...

if we don't what makes this action any different then what they have been doing to prisoners?

plain and simple, what the marine did is illegal. Now OBVIOUSLY, it was probably a mistake, a heat of the moment thing. Understood, but just like unintentional manslaughter, it is still a criminal offense.

And I also understand that this act in no way represents what our men and women have done over there, I am just speaking about this one act alone.

[SlartyBartFast]

And I also understand that this act in no way represents what our men and women have done over there, I am just speaking about this one act alone.

That's a very profound point that so few people seem to be able to understand. Supporting the troops does NOT mean turning a blind eye and letting the bad apples get away with anything and everything.

Really supporting the troops, those that are doing an upstanding job, means holding the bad apples accountable.

[CaptaiN_JacK]

I'm sorry, it seems my post was double plus ungood. I have yet to see the light in this double standard. It is OK for us to not take an POW's if they are terrorists, because they haven't signed any agreements about POW's? But if they kill one of our soldiers who tries to surrender, they are commiting a war crime and must be prosecuted?

OK, so they haven't killed a US soldier that tried to surrender, but think of the outrage that would sweep the American people if such a thing happened.

[PyRo]

You see, to be missing the point it doesn't matter who the guy was. In any war: Vietnam, Korea, WWII, WWI, a Marine would have done the same thing. A man he thought was dead was moving, how do you know if he is reaching out for help, or reaching for a gun? Anyone here would probably have done the same thing, next time a cop pulls you over in a quick motion make a dash for your globebox, your pocket, or somthng else and see how fast he has his gun out. Keep going and come out with anything that looks remotly like a gun and he is going to shoot you. Can you blame him? Is he supposed to kindly ask you if you are planning on shooting him first?

[taylor492]

plain and simple, what the marine did is illegal...

No, its not that plain and simple. Nobody knows what exactly caused that Marine to shoot the Iraqi insurgent. It is not visible in the video why he did it. He felt threatened so he neutralized the situation. I want to, and i do, believe that he did the right thing. That he saved his, or someone elses life by firing.

[HoppysMag]

so let me get this straight... the guy was shot up ... on the floor.... he moved because he was still alive... then the marine says... he's fakin he's dead!! and then he him to make him dead...

what if the guy was reaching out trying to ask for help... Military code of conduct in a war dictates that we treat the wounded of BOTH sides...

if we don't what makes this action any different then what they have been doing to prisoners?

plain and simple, what the marine did is illegal. Now OBVIOUSLY, it was probably a mistake, a heat of the moment thing. Understood, but just like unintentional manslaughter, it is still a criminal offense.

And I also understand that this act in no way represents what our men and women have done over there, I am just speaking about this one act alone.

yet again,geneva convention DOES NOT PROTECT INSURGENTS AND RESISTANCE FIGHTERS!!! in all legal aspects we could of hung him up by his testicles and played pinata till we got some candy out of his ***.

in 77 an amendment was added ( wich the US has not ratifyed) that protects those who become resistance fighters and didnt have enough time to become regular armed troops. provided they carry arms openly ( wich the insurgents dont) and follow the customs and laws of war ( wich i dont believe includes beheadings of civilians)

so according to a law, we dont even reconsise, the marine didnt do anything wrong. and obviously we all hope it doesnt happen again. but thats what these people get. you want to be part of a group that beheads civilians and wouldnt even take a soldier hostage, rather kill, and mutilate him on the spot, dont expect us to be calm when all the sudden some one who is willing to do these things starts to move.

[SlartyBartFast]

yet again,geneva convention DOES NOT PROTECT INSURGENTS AND RESISTANCE FIGHTERS!!! in all legal aspects we could of hung him up by his testicles and played pinata till we got some candy out of his ***.

Wonderful. America the land of rights and freedoms (but only if forced).

Your sticky mess. Is the US supposed to help bring democracy and freedom to the world or is the US jsut as bad as any other armed force protecting nothing more than US interests.

Seeing as WMD were the figment of the current administration's imagination, truth, justice, and democracy are the fragile reasons for justifying the invasion of another country. But, if the claim is that certain people have no rights, then what justification is left?

so according to a law, we dont even reconsise, the marine didnt do anything wrong.

Well, by that logic you all had no right to enter Iraq. After all, THEY didn't recognise your laws, so why should they follow them?

[HoppysMag]

Wonderful. America the land of rights and freedoms (but only if forced).

Your sticky mess. Is the US supposed to help bring democracy and freedom to the world or is the US jsut as bad as any other armed force protecting nothing more than US interests.

Seeing as WMD were the figment of the current administration's imagination, truth, justice, and democracy are the fragile reasons for justifying the invasion of another country. But, if the claim is that certain people have no rights, then what justification is left?



Well, by that logic you all had no right to enter Iraq. After all, THEY didn't recognise your laws, so why should they follow them?

obviosuly i was exagerating about the pinata comment.

as for the geneva convention i was pointing out that the we are part of the geneva convetion, but we hadnt signed the amendment, and even then had we signed the amendment, the amendment doesnt protect these people.

[Southpaw]

And you talk about forgetting things and double speak.