IAMS food company

[slade]

How do you think we've gotten to where we are, slade? The food chain does exist; be thankful we're at the top (With the possible exception of laser weilding, bipedal sharks..). While the current state of things may suck, we're still better off now then we were 100 years ago.. we got there by being the best damn devourers we could be.

wrong. clearly the sabre-toothed flying lemurs are at the top of the food chain. But, anyway, what youre saying comes across as this: we got to the top because we ate animals, and being at the top justifies the treatment of animals that currently occurs. wrong. the development of tools and technology brought us to the top; if eating animals was the deciding factor, then clearly tigers, lions, lazer-wielding bipedal sharks, etc. would be at the top. And as to your second point, remember, having power over something else does not justify the abuse of your power. And as to the point of their being a food chain... its closer to many smaller chains, with many animals at the top... nothing eats tigers, lions, wolves, coyotes, ocelots, large birds of prey, sabre-toothed flying lemurs, etc.

Vegetarians die, just as the rest of us do, except that most veg-heads rarely affect anything for the better.

yeah, suuure... so essentially youre saying because I am a vegetarian, I will never make a positive difference in the world, while at the same time using the slur "veg-head"? Are you the kid of person who thinks blacks and women are inferior and and cannot make a difference? My guess would be no... but then why cant i make a difference?

If the production of human-sustinance results in an unhappy piglet, so be it. Really, if we can squeeze 5 meals out of a pig instead of 2.. who really suffers? Noone.

The pig. And it certainly wouldnt be a 2.5x increase. and, again, humans do not have to be sustained by animal cruelty.

As Oysterboy said, it is how humans became what they are today. Civilization is often defined by permenant settlements, agriculture, domestication of animals (some for work, others as food), smelting of metals, and a written language. Nature, or God (take your pick), has selected humans as omnivores and the best way to ensure the quality of the food we eat is to control its production, both for plant and animal food items.

That said, I'd also like point out that, along with the right to harvest animals, humans have a responsibility to be as humane as reasonably possible.

I am not against eating animals, I know that killing is natural and always will occur. What I am against is mainly the inhumane treatment of animals. I am also against the raising of animals for food, because I beleive they should at least have a chance for survival as they do when being hunted. But, even though humans can be properly sustained without consuming meat, I know that will never happen, and would be satisfied if animals were treated humanely (free range instead of crowded, dirty conditions, no abuse of animals, and more humane slaughter).

lets take a peta trip up someones ***, im sure theyll find horses being beaten to death by club-bearing midgets...


you get the point

what the heck are you smoking?

Now wait a minute.
Why would the slaughter of humans be just?
First of all, we have some sort of justification for slaughtering pigs. They taste good. They fill our bellies. They give us something to put with the lettuce and tomato on a hamburger.
I dont see how you can use that logic. The slaugter of mankind wouldn't benefit mankind.. if there was some kind of benefit, I'm sure we would. There isn't much of a market for human meat though

Ever eaten human? I havent, but Im willing to bet its damn tasty also. But its also illegal and thought of as horribly gross and evil. (and you dont need bacon or hamburger... a lettuce, tomato, pickle and american cheese sandwitch is pretty good.)

[QUOTE=billybob_81067]Exactly... if you can get 5 meals out of a pig instead of 2 then that means that less than half the amount of pigs have to be processed to feed us. Would PITA.... oops I mean PETA rather we kill more than twice as many???[QUOTE]
I think they would prefer you didnt eat any meat at all, and no pigs would be killed. (PITA... cruel, but I have to admit that that was pretty funny.)

To get back to the original reason for this thread...

The Humane Society of the USA (HSUSA) did a one year assessment and oversight of IAMS's laboratories. They concluded that IAMS is NOT being cruel or inhumane against any of their test animals in any of their many labs. In fact, they gave IAMS a 95-100% rating in cleanliness and healthful conditions in all their animal testing facilities....

....much to PETA's lament.

HSUSA is no friend of hunters, ranchers, or farmers (or BLT eaters!), so for them to agree with IAMS that they are being completely compliant towards animal welfare, simply shuts down ANY propaganda that the freaks from PETA can think of.

Me? A strange dog poops on my lawn, I'll kick it in the *** all the way to the street. Nature does the same thing.......just not in combat boots.

link to info? Id like to read about it.


I didnt reply to this thread last night at all because I saw Blade: Trinity. Fairly good movie. It was interesting how the vampires made a human factory, where they put people into a chemical induced coma and bled them. Everyone seemed so shocked, so sad, but it seemed pretty humane to me.

[OysterBoy]

I agree with some of what you've said. I think the problem is, some of us are thinking "Im against animal cruelty and the processing of animals" and are saying "I'm against animal cruelty", and some of us are thinking "I'm for the processing of animals HUMANELY" and are saying "I'm for the processing of animals". Slade, it doesnt sound like your against the processing of animals, but against the inhumane treatments. If that is the argument, I concede; however, we ARE at the top of the food chain, despite what you may beleive. The lion and tiger are CLEARLY not, because in the regions which inhabite them would be devoid of humans. Early humans banded together to take down the more dominate predators; elephants, tigers, whatever nature could throw at them. Its simple logic; first human, no actual technology, up to massive nations of humans with incredible technology.

[slade]

I agree with some of what you've said. I think the problem is, some of us are thinking "Im against animal cruelty and the processing of animals" and are saying "I'm against animal cruelty", and some of us are thinking "I'm for the processing of animals HUMANELY" and are saying "I'm for the processing of animals". Slade, it doesnt sound like your against the processing of animals, but for the inhumane treatments. If that is the argument, I concede; however, we ARE at the top of the food chain, despite what you may beleive. The lion and tiger are CLEARLY not, because in the regions which inhabite them would be devoid of humans. Early humans banded together to take down the more dominate predators; elephants, tigers, whatever nature could throw at them. Its simple logic; first human, no actual technology, up to massive nations of humans with incredible technology.

I am against the processing of animals; I beleive that, ideally, animals should be hunted, where they have a chance to escape instead of being doomed to death. But I realize people will always eat meat and will raise animals to be killed, and am willing to accept that if the animals are treated humanely.
What I was saying is, we are at the top of A food chain. Tigers, lions, etc. are at the top of another. a food chain is a chain of organisms in which each member is eaten by the one above it, with one at the top. Humans do not eat tigers, and tigers do not eat humans, except for in a few select cases, and therefore they are not in the same food chain.

[tony3]

Who cares about pigs, cows and chickens? They are bred in most cases for food/milk. We do not breed dogs for food, same goes with cats. They are domesticated to be in familys. Have often have you seen a cow showing the emotion a dog does? Or even a cat? How many pigs cry when you come from a long trip or even come home from work or school? None.

[HoppysMag]

best food ever... people dont bash it till youv tried it
its solves both the overpopulation, and the hunger problem!

[OysterBoy]

HAHA! That is rather funny. Soylent Green..mmm

Slade, your views on the processing of animals are rather astute, but surely, if you have the logic to get to that point, you must agree that processing is no different in mechanism to hunting; in both instances, we are in control. In both instances, we get meat. In the end, humans will eat pig. Processing just speeds up the process.. hence the name. I respect your opinions, and agree in a small way, but in a time when resources are becoming scarce, anything that uses less and gives more is the way to go.

For now.

[Destructo6]

because I beleive they should at least have a chance for survival as they do when being hunted

Many of our domesticated food animals are not suitable for survival in the wild. They were bred, by humans, to produce more food than their wild cousins. They are our creation. If they were turned loose, they would die in a most gruesome fashion, via starvation, predation, and/or disease. That is no favor to the animals.

Face it, domesticated livestock is ours to take care of and ours to eat.

[Rooster]

"no... i dont beleive a lot of the stuff that Rooster posts. "

Awww, I hurt the little guy's feelings. Son, since your mind is still too underdeveloped in a realistic setting, I'll tell you how it is. Until you have been there and seen it with your own eyes, what you believe in is hearsay. You can eat your fruits and vegetables like the little pinko you are, I don't care. You can wear your little black shirt and your little man purse with the poorly sewn piece of cotton that says meat is murder. You can continue not to bathe on a regular basis. I don't really care.

But when you try to spread lies about people I know, when you try to judge others on the basis of faulty information processed by your under-developed brain, or when you try to call me out on something that I know, that I have lived, and you want to call me out on something you read on the internet? On a tripod site no less?

Child, you are laughable. If you would admit your stupidity, I could at least pity you and your ignorance. Instead, I will laugh at your self-righteousness. Your conceited belief that you must be right, even though your whole precept is based on faulty logic.

Grow up, son, and apologize for your child-like ignorance.

[i_baked_cookies]

best food ever... people dont bash it till youv tried it
its solves both the overpopulation, and the hunger problem!

EWWWWWWWW GOD HELP US ALL

[OysterBoy]

self-righteousness. Your conceited belief that you must be right

Intelligent as you are Rooster, I don't beleive you can truly be a 'genius' without accepting the faults of others.. just an off-topic comment I felt like sharing.

[i_baked_cookies]

just look at it, UGHHH

[Rooster]

"Intelligent as you are Rooster, I don't beleive you can truly be a 'genius' without accepting the faults of others.. just an off-topic comment I felt like sharing."

I am perfectly willing to accept other's faults, as long as they are willing to admit them, and then try to correct them.

[cphilip]

Well you know I ran all of the Animal research facilities for Clemson University for 12 years right? Lets just say there are numerous errors in what PETA says Iams says. For instance they claim there are no standards. And they claim Iams says they want the industry to monitor the care. Both wrong. So I totaly question the whole story now.

There have been strict standards for YEARS. Since the 70's and they got tougher each year. Their are and have been Federal regulations and inspections of all Animal Reseach facilities for many years. No exceptions. And written SOP's for care and pre-op and post op care. And cage sanitation and size. And pre-experiemtal protocal review by pears. Nothing is done without oversite. I can tell you that. And nothing is done just out if the blue. Oversite committees must have a member from the local public on them as well. By law.

These laws, the Animal Welfare Act, used to be run by USDA's-APHIS branch (Animal Plant Health Inspection Service). I stood suprise inspections every 6 months or so. And no study started without an approved protocol where ever detail was in writing. To change ment going back to committee or we, the Animal Care staff, would not and could not do it. So would have Iam's hat ad to do so. They are no different than we were. We did nutritional studies too. So I am aware of exacty what it takes. And the descriptions I hear in this tale bear no resemblance to any such studies I can think of.

No such mention of any of this in PETA's tale... so its all extremely supect in my opinion.

[Rooster]

What is true about Peta is that they support several domestic terrorist organizations, including the ELA. PETA's assests should be frozen like every other supporter of terrorist organizations.

[Chris42050]

Posted By Slade
I am also against the raising of animals for food, because I beleive they should at least have a chance for survival as they do when being hunted.

So the slow easily killed animals are the only ones that deserve to be eaten?

Posted By slade
I didnt reply to this thread last night at all because I saw Blade: Trinity. Fairly good movie. It was interesting how the vampires made a human factory, where they put people into a chemical induced coma and bled them. Everyone seemed so shocked, so sad, but it seemed pretty humane to me.

How come it is okay for a human factory to feed vampires but not an animal factory to feed humans?