10 year old gets arrested for scissors

[Lohman446]

mmkay, you forgot to add they can still kick you out of school if you refuse to let them search our car, they'll get you on insubordination or something like that.

also, i think that drug dogs shouldn't be brought into the school.
i'm not into drugs or anything, i just think its an invasion of privacy.

they actually take the dogs out into the parking lot at my school, my friend had his car searched because the dogs thought they smelled something. my friend had nothing on him.
i would have raised hell right there.

I once refused a search of my vehicle (pre-Columbine) with no repercussions. The long story was a few people wanted to fight me.. just me. I told them fine but I was going to my car to get something first. It was within ear shot of the school security guard who immediatly demanded to search my car. I told him not a chance. Three minutes later I told the principal if he felt he could force me to open it for him he needed to call my parents immediatly, he declined and the issue went no further. Funny thing is I had nothing to hide, I was just being a jerk. We used to park along the street, now I was in the school parking lot but I would take a guess that if my vehicle had been on the street they couldn't have touched me for anything regarding it. As it is they never bothered to do anything about it.

As a student, if you feel your rights are being violated demand your parents (if your under 18). if the school is in a gray area they normally back off at that - school adminstrators are used to dealing with kids and don't like dealing with there "equals" or other adults - at least in general.

[RiddalinJunkie08]

I once refused a search of my vehicle (pre-Columbine) with no repercussions.

There you go. Im still not 100% on this but I think "gut feeling" is enough. If not, they could say that they got an annonimous (I can't spell) note which I am positive is enough.
-Mark

[Lohman446]

Gut feeling is not enough, you have to have a reason to search that a reasonable person would agree to - the problem is reasonable person is barely defined. On the other hand in my example my words were plenty to search on, and it would be hard to be in a situation where a police officer would not be able to search your vehicle for some reason or another. Which brings us back to the point, in the legal system your precious rights are VERY limited... the schools though are getting out of hand. You have adults used to dealing wtih kids who will not, as a general rule contradict what they are told to do... and these adults OFTEN overstep their boundaries. I have children, and I worry as much about teachers trampling there rights as I do students hurting them... Its wrong either way, and striking a balance between the two is a very hard task.

[B.A.M.]

in my art class i tried to cut myself with safety sissors but they just wont cut me.

[GT]

So here is the problem,
If this girl went and rip'ed up some kids with those killer siccors, who then is liable? I remeber buddies of mine, grad from HS in 97, that would lock rifles in thier truck in order to go hunting right after school. Can't do that anymore because of a two morons. Liability kids, that is the word of the day.

Also boo to the patriot act.

Ill just say I disagree on this because i have a pretty good idea of how many thousands of terrorists we have cought statside and used that intell all over the world. Its a really sweet act if you grove on legal stuff. Start another thread if you like.

[RiddalinJunkie08]

On school grounds, they can search you or anything that belongs to you for the safety of the school's population. Im taking American Government this semmester and we were talking about this a month ago. It was a Supreme Court case. school vs TILO. It dealt with 2 girls who had their purses confiscated w/out their permission and they found weed in both so they arrested both girls.
-Mark

[White_Noise]

i hate how so many people in america are willing to give away freedom for the false sense of security. the patriot act is basically a way for the us government to take away the people's freedoms, give themselves more power, and all they offer is a false sense of security.

the zero tolerance policy in schools is just a continuation of the stripping of constitutional rights from americans. any person that really wants to hurt people at a school will get away with it, its not that hard to get around security procedures. if i wanted to, i couldve brought a gun to school, and barring a random check from security, wouldve never been suspected of having it. better yet, why woud i have to when i had access to countless sharp objects, as well as the ability to fashion explosives with things found in the school.

stopping a 10 year old from bringing scissors to school accomplishes nothing except causing her family trouble with law enforcement and the school district. the other instance where the student slashed his classmates is an unfortunate freak occurance, however the same attack could have been done with many objects, including a common pencil. so inorder to make a school "safe" we must remove all sharp objects, as well as blunt objects that could be used to assault someone. basically this would leave the school with desks bolted to the ground, no books, and people would have to use chalk for everything they write.

[Kaiser Bob]

and people would have to use chalk for everything they write.

Well you could shove a piece of chalk into someones eye, maybe damage their brain. Also, what gives me pause about the patriot act is the fact that the FBI has already used whats granted to them in the Patriot act to get what would otherwise have been unconstitutionally obtained evidence on pedophiles and kiddie porn collectors. Yes I know they are not a group that should be defended but still, its a sign that the govt is not going to keep its upgraded surveillance powers strictly on terrorists.

[frop]

your rights are even more limited in a private school that recieves no state/federal money. They basically have carte blanche to do what they please within the ordinary bounds of law. They are not restricted by many, if not all of student's rights legislations if they are not recieving government aid It sux.

[PyRo]

I went to a private school, they never checked lockers, cars or anything. Their never was a problem either unless you consider small amounts of weed a problem. But you're going to have that at any school nomatter what you do save having drug dogs running all over. They never got the police involved either even they did find drugs on sombody.

[frop]

You're a lucky one then, Pyro. I don't know how well it applies to k-12, but what I said is definitely valid for colleges. To anyone who wants to go to the University of Northwestern Ohio, DO NOT live in the dorms! They are friggin Nazis!

EDIT:^^pyro, I basically mean IF they choose to do so, if they don't, well I wish they ran my school.

[Lohman446]

You pay rent on the dorms and you live there - as long as you and your roommates stick together they do not have a legal right to search them. However, they do have a legal right to refuse to allow you to live there... or to refuse to allow you to attend classes should you fail to allow them to search it.

[frop]

You pay rent on the dorms and you live there - as long as you and your roommates stick together they do not have a legal right to search them. However, they do have a legal right to refuse to allow you to live there... or to refuse to allow you to attend classes should you fail to allow them to search it.

Which is exactly what gives them carte blanche to do what they please. Most people will quietly submit & those that don't are told to leave & don't come back.

[PyRo]

Read the contract you sign. Most likely the police cannot search without permission but your RA, RD, or campus security can.
They did it to the floor I moved out of the semester after I moved. They gave everyone a time they had to be their and made them stand outside the door while the room was checked. Even with them announcing somthing which was obviously a search they still got a bunch of people. I swear everyone on that floor was an idiot. Their were tons of people smoking, drinking (dry campus), taking a dump in the garbage room, and doing tons of other stuff they shouldn't. Not that it didn't happen everywhere these people were just particurly stupid about it and got caught every other day. The last place I lived their were liquor bottles in the recycle in the garbage room piled sky high, everyone knew people were breaking the rules but we didn't do anything stupid so they just looked the other way.

[GT]

i hate how so many people in america are willing to give away freedom for the false sense of security. the patriot act is basically a way for the us government to take away the people's freedoms, give themselves more power, and all they offer is a false sense of security.

and your an expert in law? Like I said, you guys want to talk about start another tread.

FBI has already used whats granted to them in the Patriot act to get what would otherwise have been unconstitutionally obtained evidence on pedophiles and kiddie porn

well duh, that is why the patriot act was inacted. There were way to many legal road blocks that protected would be criminals than ordinary citizens.