Markm needs to calm down

[cphilip]

I don't think they really care, but for what it's worth I would like to see them less focused on cursing, and more so on getting rid of jerks. But's it really irrelevant.

I'd like to see people not curse and not be jerks.... And I would like for people to man up and accept responsibility for thier actions. Not try and hide behind and blame rules and rules keepers for thier mistakes.

Thats how its supposed to be in the real world. Would be nice... if you all want to consider this so serious and "real world" then lets act like it.

[Bulldog]

I'd like to see people not curse and not be jerks.... And I would like for people to man up and accept responsibility for thier actions. Not try and hide behind and blame rules and rules keepers for thier mistakes.

Thats how its supposed to be in the real world. Would be nice... if you all want to consider this so serious and "real world" then lets act like it.

I hear ya, me too. The reason they are blaming the rule keepers in this instance is that they are getting mixed signals. That's all, I'm sure you guys will work it out.

And btw, in the real world, people are always blaming the "rule keepers" for their actions. The man is keepn' them down. Comes with the job.

[cphilip]

I hear ya, me too. The reason they are blaming the rule keepers in this instance is that they are getting mixed signals. That's all, I'm sure you guys will work it out.

And btw, in the real world, people are always blaming the "rule keepers" for their actions. The man is keepn' them down. Comes with the job.

In the real world the claim "everyone else was doing it and didn't get caugh so why me?" ... doesn't get ya anywhere either. It's hardly a mixed signal. It's a matter of getting caught. Don't want to? Don't do it.

And in Joey D's case he knows very VERY well not to tempt fate. He certainly should anyway. For some reason he is being portrayed as some kinda Saint. Trust me... its hardly the case. Perhaps he doesn't realy want his past compliance history raked out again so... even though some of you seem to want to put him up on a pedistal... that I can knock him right off of... I chose not to as it's all in the past. Or at least I would think HE would want to let it lie. Don't even make me open up that can a worms but I will if I have too. People need to consider the source... ask yourself if what your hearing is coming from a credible trustworthy person with no personal reason to misslead you.

[magman007]

Phil, i dont know why you are getting upset. I personally dont have a problem with any of the other mods, and i think we are all cool with eachother, its just mark needs to calm down.


ALso, Joe is in no way being put on some sort of pedestal, the bannishment for the word, in my mind was out of line, that should have diserved a warning, none of us know that the letter f and ing combined was a bannable offence.



All i am saying, is that many members are havin a problem with the way mark has been handeling things. how about a warning or 2, or make a list black and white of things that are and are not tollerated, words included.


If this is the way AO has to be, then atleast make it more user friendly. let us know exactly what we can and cannot do.

Im sorry you seem so aggrivated phil, this was not the reason for this post.

[Lohman446]

Phil, i dont know why you are getting upset. I personally dont have a problem with any of the other mods, and i think we are all cool with eachother, its just mark needs to calm down.


ALso, Joe is in no way being put on some sort of pedestal, the bannishment for the word, in my mind was out of line, that should have diserved a warning, none of us know that the letter f and ing combined was a bannable offence.



All i am saying, is that many members are havin a problem with the way mark has been handeling things. how about a warning or 2, or make a list black and white of things that are and are not tollerated, words included.


If this is the way AO has to be, then atleast make it more user friendly. let us know exactly what we can and cannot do.

Im sorry you seem so aggrivated phil, this was not the reason for this post.

Look, Im not a mod and Im already sick of the whining. There was a clear warning issued to everyone at once - evasion of the cuss filter and substitution of words is bannable. And the example used is a straigth substitution for one of the words sorted out by the filter. No, I don't beleive it was worth banning someone over, Im not a mod. Someone was banned over it - the lesson is learned.. LET IT GO and move on.

[cphilip]

When you have been banned multiple times.... some of them for the very same offense... and something that you should know better than to take a chance on because your technicaly eligible for a permanent ban already... your have had all the warnings you need.

Now if it was you Magman007 it might be different. Mark has access to the ban histories. He can tell if its someone who has demonstrated a repeated history of disregard for the rules. He can use that in his judgement of wether or not to cut someone some slack or not. He chose not to. I can't say what I might have done but it would and is justified in this case. Thats what I am saying.

Let me tell you an old Unka Phil story. Bear with me!

I had a friend. His Dad was taking care of the Grandkids one day. He as like in his 80's at the time. The Kids became a bit unrully. They were jumping on the bed. Grandpa says "Quit jumping on the bed". They stop for a few minutes. Then begin jumping on the bed again. Grandpa takes out his strop and goes in there and gives em each a swat! They immediately stop and do not dare do it again.

Soon as Mom comes home.... they go running to mom screaming "mommy mommy, grandpa hit us and didn't even give us three warnings!"

Grandpa says... "what the heck do you need three warning for. I told you once... you didn't listen... end of story".

This is a true story. I was there. I laughed my behind off when those kids complained they expected three warnings before they were going to comply. I think they learned a valuable lesson.

Where did we go wrong making everyone think that in life everyone gets three warnings? Who says? And I am certian the kids had gotten in trouble for jumping on the bed before in thier lives. How many warnings had they already had? Life ain't always "three warnings" in order to do something right. And sometimes prior warnings count... after all... your supposed to get warnings to teach you something hopefully and give you a chance. Punishment may come at any time... without warnings.. when you have demonstrated that warnings ain't working.

[magman007]

lohman, how wrong you are. maybe you havnt been around long enough to know how ao once was, or to notice that it has been on a constant downslope since oh... mid '02

the fact is, that we have been using the substituted word for a while now, and we havnt gotten introuble for it, until one day...


the Dvd thing as well, needs to be addressed.


this whole topic is already making prominent(or once prominent) members disgusted and leaving.


id like us to allget along, but it will take coping on many sides for this to happen.


Some people need to change, attitudes need to change, we all want to get back to the happy AO we once knew, so lets do it.

[cphilip]

Some people need to change, attitudes need to change, we all want to get back to the happy AO we once knew, so lets do it.

We have had the same rules ever since I have been here. Same rules we all swore to obey. Carefull who you side up with and take a break if you need to. Nothing stays the same. Not much anyone can do about that. Thats really not anything to do with rules. It has to do with membership and your own personal interests. They change. Nothing can stay the same I hate to say...

[behemoth]

Im Back.

I agree, it seemes like he was on a little powertrip...

[1stdeadeye]

Pretty if I may say so myself.

Well he is English you know!

What is the best thing you can say about him? He is not French!!!!!

[1stdeadeye]

Yes. Totally gay, and homosexual, and whatnot.

Is that why you and Jonneh get along so well?

[Lohman446]

lohman, how wrong you are. maybe you havnt been around long enough to know how ao once was, or to notice that it has been on a constant downslope since oh... mid '02

the fact is, that we have been using the substituted word for a while now, and we havnt gotten introuble for it, until one day...


the Dvd thing as well, needs to be addressed.


this whole topic is already making prominent(or once prominent) members disgusted and leaving.


id like us to allget along, but it will take coping on many sides for this to happen.


Some people need to change, attitudes need to change, we all want to get back to the happy AO we once knew, so lets do it.

I'm wrong? There is a word used, it may have been used for some time. At the risk of a ban for demonstrating in normal every day speech I use the word "effin" when I just don't feel like spelling out the rest. It is direct subsitituion and meant to bring to mind the word not used.

Someone was banned for it... you know better now. Now your whining about it... bringing it up and discussing was not whining.. but after awhile it becomes whining. Am I wrong?

Everything done was in violation of the rules - chances are from what Phil has said that Joey has been warned, and banned before and well... he continued to push. Now Phil has discussed it, Joey is back, the ban is over, everyone understands that that term is bannable - Get over it, move on.

[Bulldog]

In the real world the claim "everyone else was doing it and didn't get caugh so why me?" ... doesn't get ya anywhere either. It's hardly a mixed signal. It's a matter of getting caught. Don't want to? Don't do it.

I wasn't saying that it should or does work, merely responding to your post.

The mixed signal that I'm seeing is that what Joey said = ban....yet BS or fricken' is ok. Most people would see those phrases on the same level.

The prior history I know nothing about, so I can't comment on that. If it's bad enough in this case that it's the straw that broke the camels back, so be it. It still seems weak, but you have access to more information than most of us, so I'll take your word for it.

[Echo419]

Yah my most recent ban was for typing 4 astericks WITH spaces in between them, instead of saying the "S" word in a quoute from a movie... They new i didnt cus. 3 days

[Echo419]

And also one more thing, banning your senior members, and ur regular members with 1k + posts, isn't helping AO bieng a better place... cuz believe me.. the PBN imigrants arent the people keeping this place alive