Markm needs to calm down

[Muzikman]

didnt you say if you post something and it activates the filter, ie lots of *, then go back and edit it? so if mango would have just "edited" the "offensive" parts of his post it would have been allowed? why is it allowed to edit ones post but not to delete it? or does that only apply to "offensive" language?

Keep reading, you are missing the point. It wasn't that Mago was not allowed to delete the thread, but Mark wanted to archive the thread for his and other mod reasons. He could not do this without restoring the thread and then moving it. Once it was moved it would be out of the publics eye, but Mango kept re-deleting it before Mark could move it. Mango thought that Mark was trying to restore the thread against his wishes, but that was not the case.

[cphilip]

Keep reading, you are missing the point. It wasn't that Mago was not allowed to delete the thread, but Mark wanted to archive the thread for his and other mod reasons. He could not do this without restoring the thread and then moving it. Once it was moved it would be out of the publics eye, but Mango kept re-deleting it before Mark could move it. Mango thought that Mark was trying to restore the thread against his wishes, but that was not the case.

Exactly! They had a chinese fire drill going and niether of them realized it... at the time. Rather odd thing really. But at some point anything is going to happen. Murphy's law strikes again.

In the old bulletin board software, when you deleted it, we could not retrieve it. Thats what we would have done had we had this new software when Albino was threatened. We could have saved it. But we could not back then.

And yes. Mango could have edited the thread and left it...or deleted it. His choice.

But...Now we can move them and do stuff with them if we want with this version of Vbulliten. And we ask Mods to archive any post they have made an "intervention" on if it ends up closed or deleted (no matter who deletes it) so the rest of us can see it later if there is a beef about it. So thats what Mark was trying to do with it. He clearly knew Mango did not want it displayed anymore and had no problem with that. He was going to honor that. But he could never get done with all his actions to bo both things (open and then move) because Mango kept re-deleting it. In the mistaken impression that Mark was just trying to restore it to view. And it's understandable Mango might think that, since Mango did not know that we have to re-open/reactivate the thread before we can move it. So it does not suprise that he would think that. So it was just really an unfortunate series of moves by each of them at the same short period of time that caused the misunderstanding.

[xmetal2001]

Its a shame that phil has had to explain this so many times! I don't see what the trouble is


Although I must admit, AO Drama makes for a good read

[SpecialBlend2786]

Although I must admit, AO Drama makes for a good read

it really does

[logamus]

Exactly! They had a chinese fire drill going and niether of them realized it... at the time. Rather odd thing really. But at some point anything is going to happen. Murphy's law strikes again.

In the old bulletin board software, when you deleted it, we could not retrieve it. Thats what we would have done had we had this new software when Albino was threatened. We could have saved it. But we could not back then.

And yes. Mango could have edited the thread and left it...or deleted it. His choice.

But...Now we can move them and do stuff with them if we want with this version of Vbulliten. And we ask Mods to archive any post they have made an "intervention" on if it ends up closed or deleted (no matter who deletes it) so the rest of us can see it later if there is a beef about it. So thats what Mark was trying to do with it. He clearly knew Mango did not want it displayed anymore and had no problem with that. He was going to honor that. But he could never get done with all his actions to bo both things (open and then move) because Mango kept re-deleting it. In the mistaken impression that Mark was just trying to restore it to view. And it's understandable Mango might think that, since Mango did not know that we have to re-open/reactivate the thread before we can move it. So it does not suprise that he would think that. So it was just really an unfortunate series of moves by each of them at the same short period of time that caused the misunderstanding.

so if mango had just gone back and edited out what he posted and put the word "hello" in its place then nothing would have happened? im just curious if editing out what one posts is a better option than just deleting the thread. i also know there are a few regular posters on the forum that delete their posts on a fairly regular basis, is that practice going to come to an end or is the restoration of deleted posts/threads only applied if there is questionable/offensive material contained in said post/thread?

[Lohman446]

THis is how I understand it

If a moderator takes action on a thread, such as "deleting" it they do not actual delete it - they move it to the graveyard where only moderators can see it. This way if someone whines later that a moderator is on a powertrip the other moderators can see the cause of action - this is new with the new software.

MarkM took action because of Mango's picture (though what action I do not know maybe just a PM). Mango realized what the picture was and tried to delete it as offensive - once the picture was deleted Mark could no longer move it - he had to reopen it to move it - when he reopened it Mango redeleted it before he could move it - Mango thought Mark was trying to force it to be in public view.

I would presume, normally you delete a post noone cares - but if a moderator has/is taking action against it they need to move it to the graveyard in case there is any controversy later.

[cphilip]

THis is how I understand it

If a moderator takes action on a thread, such as "deleting" it they do not actual delete it - they move it to the graveyard where only moderators can see it. This way if someone whines later that a moderator is on a powertrip the other moderators can see the cause of action - this is new with the new software.

MarkM took action because of Mango's picture (though what action I do not know maybe just a PM). Mango realized what the picture was and tried to delete it as offensive - once the picture was deleted Mark could no longer move it - he had to reopen it to move it - when he reopened it Mango redeleted it before he could move it - Mango thought Mark was trying to force it to be in public view.

I would presume, normally you delete a post noone cares - but if a moderator has/is taking action against it they need to move it to the graveyard in case there is any controversy later.

Pretty good explanation but with one clarification... It was not the Picture but the entire thread that was deleted and so had to be opened to be moved.

I think, mark contacted Mango in PM's about the particular picture asking him to remove just that only and telling him why. It was because of several peoples complaints that we sort of agreed with. Although not strongly enough to just delete it ourselves at first. So Mark chose to ask Mango if he would agree and delete it. Then Mark finaly deleted the picture. Then Mango chose to delete the entire thread not just the picture. I think thats sort of how it went down. As best I can recall.

And no... we don't intend to undo any deleted threads that there are no Moderator actions on. Many people just delete threads that got off topic or maybe they think better about or don't need anymore. If there is no reason to move it and keep it we will not bother with those.

This thread in question here was only intended to be open for a moment so that the software would give the option to move it.

Anyway. Thats enough on this subject. The issue is now understood so no need to fan any more flame on this one. Closing.