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  • GT
    Automag?
    • Dec 2001
    • 5786

    #76
    Originally posted by drg
    Where in the world are you going with this?
    How familar are you with Bin Laden et al's operations in somlia (I will get back to this at the end)? Its fare to say the UBL is a multi-national terrorst. We also know that each of the warring factions, for those who dont know sri lanka has been in a civil war since the 80's, has recieved external assistance from iseral and pallastien. The article I posted was intresting in the fact that sri lanka is only about 7% muslim, yet that small precentage has enough voice to turn away aid for the remaining 93%. A very vocal minority simliar to the problem in russia.

    The Iraq war (it doesnt matter if you believe we are liberators, oil thiefs, or murders) has stirred up terror recruiment. Personally I think the war was icing on the cake for groups like al queda, there are a number of social-economic factors that lead to such groups of which little have anything to do with "foregin policy". We also know that terrorsts have chaged thier focus from attacking the US, physical place, to attacking US citizens abroad. Needless to say there still pissed off either because we are americans or foriegn policy whatever "theory" you subsribe to matters little as all they want to do is kill.

    Over the next few months the US is going to spend a few billion in sri lanka as well as other affected countries. Do you think that all the US does it write a check? I am sure there will be thousands if not tens of thousands of american volenteers as well as state deparment folks figuring out where the money needs to go that the US pledges. These aid workers, surronded by very anti-semitic and anti-iseral groups, are going to be in signifgant danger. I am willing to bet that there will be more than a few attempts to kill americans durring the aid effort. Futhermore it wouldnt suprise me if there are US agents that have gone to sri lanka, prior to the aid effort, in order to determine excatly what risks thier are for aid workers.

    This isnt the first time we get beat on for saving other countries butt; If you remeber the tail end of Bush sr.'s tenure, the US had decided to visit solmia, as a UN effort. Bush's intent was to show up, feed some peeps, and get out ASAP. All hell breaks loose and terrorism aganist americans, and all UN folks, goes through the roof. "civilians" are killing soldiers, running car bombs into blockades in an attempt to stop the aid effort. The last straw for the UN was the death of 24 pakistanie peackeepers. While it hits the fan in Somilia bush is in the middle of a relection campign, of which clinton wins, and everyone is more concerned with Bush looking at his watch durring one of those worthless debates, than what is happening on the otherside of the world.

    Clinton as new pres and unknowingly to the US that was our first encouter with UBL whom was in direct command, i believe of a warlord named Aidid. The UN does its thing votes for a worthless regime change and some other goofy measures. Our intellegence guys figured out that most of the violence towards the US was coming from this war lord. Clinton, with a thumbs up from the UN, does the oppsite of the advice given to him by the generals on the ground and decides to send in the Rangers to take this guy out. Mission fails, lots of good guys killed for no reason, watch "Black hawk down"(One of our few "successes: over there). The big fubar was that Clinton didnt think a massive supressing force of troops would play well on tv.

    Bill Gertz; THE WASHINGTON TIMES

    Defense Secretary Les Aspin and his deputies rejected sending needed tanks and armored vehicles to Somalia because they feared a political backlash would undermine their pro-United Nations policy, says a Senate Armed Services Committee report.
    My point,
    not only will we be defending aganist a public health diseaster we will also be fighting minor skirmishes, or maybe not, however all of the terrorists motivitaions will be there durring the aid effort. Dont be suprised if there is some kind of military force, maybe from the UN, that shows up in the indian ocean. Last time I heard there was a carrier that was enroute to the middle east and is instead heading to "help out" the aid effort.
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    • drg
      Half-cocked
      • Oct 2004
      • 1112

      #77
      Originally posted by GT
      Clinton didnt think a massive supressing force of troops would play well on tv.
      And it wouldn't have. Let's not forget the political landscape here at home. Trying to pin it all on a pro-UN policy is just the kind of thing the Wash Times would do, that bastion of objective reporting.

      None of this offsets the fact that your list is cherry-picked. These countries are giving a lot of money, true, but Iraq is not the prime moving force behind this, nor is it appropriate to take cheap shots at the "left" based on it. There are other countries and organizations responding significantly, as I've described.
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      • Bolter
        Hardcore casual
        • May 2003
        • 1223

        #78
        Originally posted by Albinonewt
        You don't want our money?

        So I suppose Europe will be cleaning up it's own mess in Bosnia now, without our help!

        And what WMD exactly have we used? Since WWII it's been all conventional




        Well, A) That's a lie, the vast bulk of Arab immigration into Europe is from countries other then Iraq and Afghanistan and B) happened well before the last two wars in the region not to mention C) maybe ya'll should think about closing the door



        We'll remember that next time someone crosses the Rhine
        We were in Bosnia on a peace keeping mission. The UN did not start the war.

        WMD? Please see previous post regarding napalm and bunker busters etc.

        No its not a lie. Are you here? Do your taxes pay for these people?

        The Rhine? Do you know who was in charge of the push through Europe? British commanders. You think you guys are the sole saviours of the world? Your soldiers are brave and need commending. They do a thankless task at the will of your greedy government. But with or without you, we would have defeated Germany. We are like that. Plus we had the Russians who met us in Berlin. The Russians split the Germans.
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        • GT
          Automag?
          • Dec 2001
          • 5786

          #79
          Originally posted by Bolter
          But with or without you, we would have defeated Germany.
          I am glad I saw that this morning, pretty funny stuff.



          And it wouldn't have. Let's not forget the political landscape here at home. Trying to pin it all on a pro-UN policy is just the kind of thing the Wash Times would do, that bastion of objective reporting.
          SO we should allow our soldiers to needlessly die simply because its more popular to do so? What does the washington times have to do with with that quote? Its a fact pure and simple, clinton allowed soldiers to die because it wouldnt play well on tv, that is 100% fact. He had Rangers, super soldiers (make no mistake these guys are killing machines), because to do otherwise wouldnt be considered "cool" by the UN.

          None of this offsets the fact that your list is cherry-picked. These countries are giving a lot of money, true, but Iraq is not the prime moving force behind this,
          Kinda disagree,
          IF you do alittle terrorism research you'll find that the motivation factor for terrorism growth are social and economic. These coutries, whom are also in Iraq, understand why it is so important to help out as much as possible. Ask yourself why japan has just pledged 500mill? No offense to the japanese but there xenophobic nature precludes them from being the most giving nation towards thier asian brothers.

          nor is it appropriate to take cheap shots at the "left" based on it.
          I dont see any "cheap shots." I do see some of my opionon interjected with cold hard facts. Which states are the most giving; red or blue? Now that is a cheap shot
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          • Albinonewt
            Team Icky Forest
            • Apr 2003
            • 2456

            #80
            Originally posted by Bolter
            We were in Bosnia on a peace keeping mission. The UN did not start the war.
            Did you handle it yourselves, or did you cry out for help?

            WMD? Please see previous post regarding napalm and bunker busters etc.
            And the last time Napalm leveled a city was when?

            And bunker busters are specifically designed to attack hardened underground targets. How many civillians hide in underground weapons chaches?

            No its not a lie. Are you here? Do your taxes pay for these people?
            France was 7% Arab BEFORE the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. We didn't do it. If Arabs keep coming there now maybe you should CLOSE THE DOOR. It isn't our fault Europeans have decided to destroy their nations in favor of some moronic policy inclusion. Although its nice to see that decades of European arrogance and igorance is now solely America's fault because of a war two years old.

            The Rhine? Do you know who was in charge of the push through Europe? British commanders. You think you guys are the sole saviours of the world? Your soldiers are brave and need commending. They do a thankless task at the will of your greedy government. But with or without you, we would have defeated Germany. We are like that. Plus we had the Russians who met us in Berlin. The Russians split the Germans.
            Are you completely insane?

            Anyone that thinks the war would have been won when it was and how it was without American manpower and machines is loco. Britain was going to land was going to do what? Land it's forces in France and fight in Northern Africa? What magic was Britain going to use to make the tanks and recruit the troops for that? And Russia broke through because of our intervention to the west, because then Germany needed more forces to the west then previously thought.
            Or better yet, why don't you kill yourself. No, really, die. Drop dead, don't leave a note, in fact burn your house while your little ego is stuck in a bench vice so that you'll also incenerate yourslef and everything you own with it. Because that's all you're worth. You're not even wirh thte time it'll take for the house to burn down, so just kill yourself. You're a waste of space. You are nothing, you always will be nothing. Don't leave a note, you're not worth the ink. - Tyger

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            • Kevmaster
              Owners Group Div: Director
              • Oct 2001
              • 5475

              #81
              Jesus Christ....

              I take a leave and all hell erupts!

              Yes. The US is making a HUGE contribution. Not as big, per capita, as some other nations, but it is still the largest contribution or any nation. Could we give more? Probably. But there is no reason why we HAVE to give anything.

              Why is it that no matter WHAT it is we do in terms of our foreign policy, someone always gets pissed? The world wouldn't be happy with any foreign policy decision we make. They want an isolationist America until they themselves are threatened. They want an agressive america when they are, but want to be able to control it. They want America to give money away and when we do they tell us its not enough. Anyone know how much money China and India combined have given? I bet it dwarfs in comparison to ours, especially in per capita terms. They havn't gotten any criticism...Go Figure.

              Basically...The world likes to keep the US as its little punching bag until it needs it. At which point the US will selflessly disregard previous criticism and ultimatly bail the world out of trouble...again.
              Watch...it will happen

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              • GT
                Automag?
                • Dec 2001
                • 5786

                #82
                Originally posted by Kevmaster
                Anyone know how much money China and India combined have given? I bet it dwarfs in comparison to ours, especially in per capita terms. They havn't gotten any criticism...Go Figure.

                HA!!! there is plenty of criticism to go around for those two; China + oil + sudan = true evil oil company.
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                • cphilip
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                  • Jun 2026
                  • 16216

                  #83
                  How did relief of Tsunami vicitms turn into world war II?


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