Firearm Experts: Hollywood fact or fiction?

[Destructo6]

What do you know about the AK - sniper model?

If you're talking about the Dragunov, it's not an AK. It uses an entirely different receiver and uses a short stroke gas piston, as opposed to the AK's long stroke.

It's not really a sniper rifle as you and I might think of one. It's a designated marksman rifle, for use by infantry troops to take out targets which need more precision than the average AK can give, like machinegun bunkers.

Real Dragunov SVDs are very expensive, mainly due to the various import restrictions. There are Romanian knock-offs (FPK) that use the RPK receiver and a long stroke piston, but they are not Dragunovs.

i did like how in the matrix they threw guns away when the rounds were spent...thats smart.

Why's that? How much more ammo could you carry if you weren't carrying a bunch of guns? 3-6lb per gun - that's a lot of ammo.

I loved the way that 7.62x51 brass was falling out of his Skorpion (.32acp) in that film: classic Hollywood cheese.

[Sparq]

All this goes along with the 15 shot revolvers, and magazine fed pistols that never seem to run out of ammo.

Army of Darkness - Double Barreled, break-action shotgun (Boomstick!) which for some reason fires three shots before being reloaded. You can find it in the sporting goods section.

On the same note, anyone who knows about the history of the M-16 assault rifle...did they have the modern 'bird cage' stye flash hiders in Vietnam? I have seen the more pointed flash hider from the early M-16s, but I was watching some movie...Tigerland I believe...and noticed what I believed to be the newer style.

[HoppysMag]

a SVD is a very good rifle. but isnt a sniper rifle. its a squad level marksman rifle ( like the M14 is being used today in iraq)



"Side note: Another movie shot I despise is the "zooming binoculars/scope" Every movie with a man on a rifle shows him "tracking" his mark, while the camera zooms in on his face. Scopes are static! "

what are you trying to say? that you can shoot a moving target with a scoped weapon? cause il argue that you damn well can. it will obviously take more skill. and a real sniper would not take the shot if he had the option.

the thing in movies i hate, is when they shoot through a glass window and pick off the hostage taker or something. not many snipers would shoot through glass. as glass plays some nasty tricks with a rounds ballistics. i also hate how a flipped over table or empyt 55 gallon drum can stop a bullet. i also hate the sniper automatic pistol set ups. as anyone knows floating barrels 99% of the time have crap accuracy at any distance

some nam era rifles might have had that style of cage, im not an expert on the m16 but i believe the majority of A1's had the 3 pronged.

[drg]

Double side note: I dig Michael Mann gunplay. Heat is obviously kickbutt,

Second this in a big way. Heat gets my vote for best gunfight on film in history.

[TheDuelist]

I believe the original M16 had the 3 prong and the A1 went to the birdcage. I have heard stories of the original 3 prong causing problems in the jungle with snagging on vines and things like that.

Some info I dug up about the M16

http://www.ar15.com/content/articles/history/evolution.html

[brianlojeck]

"Side note: Another movie shot I despise is the "zooming binoculars/scope" Every movie with a man on a rifle shows him "tracking" his mark, while the camera zooms in on his face. Scopes are static! "

what are you trying to say? that you can shoot a moving target with a scoped weapon? cause il argue that you damn well can.

I think he means the scope zooms like a camera's zoom lens, changing magnification

[Carbon]

Woot. I do agree heat had pretty much the best gunfight sceene in any movie. Simply for the fact that it wasnt really a traditional hollywood gunfight. The sceene resembled a bounding overwatch/peelout manuver small cammando units would do. The only thing i wished there was more of in that sceene would be a birds eye view of their escape.

[Destructo6]

Woot. I do agree heat had pretty much the best gunfight sceene in any movie. Simply for the fact that it wasnt really a traditional hollywood gunfight. The sceene resembled a bounding overwatch/peelout manuver small cammando units would do.

There is a reason for that. "Andy McNabb", co-author of Bravo Two Zero and former SAS member, consulted on that film. Can you believe they actually took cover and reloaded, in the same scene no less!

Some scopes do have variable magnification. It's not exactly something you'd use while drawing a bead on a target, though.

[drg]

I'll play devil's advocate and say that the zoom is used as a visual technique to represent the focusing of the shooter's attention on the target as he sights in. It's not meant to be literal ...

But I guess if the crosshairs grew with the zoom, it would be technically correct.

[Army]

I am, however, familiar with some of what's being discussed.


Side note: Another movie shot I despise is the "zooming binoculars/scope" Every movie with a man on a rifle shows him "tracking" his mark, while the camera zooms in on his face. Scopes are static!

This too is another silly peave of mine. Along with all the silly blinking lights/ranging numbers and dozens of reticles, the bigger laugh is the ability to hear through the scope or bino's from 500yds!

...And why does the actor suddenly look up from the scope in surprise whenever their target looks back at them? It's not like they can see what the shooter is doing...he's 500yds away!

[Sparq]

I believe the original M16 had the 3 prong and the A1 went to the birdcage. I have heard stories of the original 3 prong causing problems in the jungle with snagging on vines and things like that.

Some info I dug up about the M16

http://www.ar15.com/content/articles...evolution.html

That would make sense. Tigerland was a good movie, by the way.

[Glickman]

wow, i never realized a brandy new ar15 only costs as much as a 03 Trix...

[CaptaiN_JacK]

Did anyobdy see Behind Enemy Lines? The last scene is TERRIBLE, it made the whole movie bad. The bad guys had 30+ guys and about 6 personel carriers or tanks, ak-47s, pistols, big machine guns. The good guy was OUT IN THE OPEN, no cover whatsoever, AND THEY MISSED HIM!!! I'm almost certain I could have shot him with my 80 year old .22 with plain sights. And they were only like 30-40 yards away. I was practically screaming at the tv. Then you see a sniper in a ghillie suit STANDING UP in the middle of the bad guys and a good guy in a helicopter sees him, says, "sniper in the open", and a good guy in a diff. helicopter like 70 yards away from the sniper takes a regular machine gun, fires one shot, and takes him out. Wow, and I thought the matrix was unreal.

[Boski51]

Im pretty sure you all have seen the movie where the hitman find his sniping spot and then proceeds to assemble his rifle for that 350+ yrd shot.

This bogus correct? As the zero from that rifle would wander from attaching/re-attaching the scope and other parts. Yes?

As was stated; not too much BS. A 350 yrd shot is not that difficult anyway. No head shots, no moving targets, no wind or heat and you can make a 350 center mass shot with a well aimed iron sighted shot. A trained shooter could do that off hand (standing). I forget the palma national match course of fire, but i think they do off hand shooting at that distance.

FLame me if I am wrong about the palma distance.

BTW: Best long range sniper weapon for movies: 50 cal barnett rifle with a powerful scope. headshot at a mile a way.....neat idea, great on film, hard to do in real life!

[Southpaw]

Good snipers with a 30.06 have made kills at ranges approaching mile Granted it was not a one shot one kill but none the less amazing. With rifles like the 338 this range can reach into and past the 1 mile range. The 50 cal is not a sniper rifle it is an anti material weapon designed to take out vehicles, scud missiles, mobile radar units ect. Not to say that it will not work on a person but a bullet that will go through an engine block at over 1 mile is overkill on a human at almost any range.