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[Demobilized]

Its gonna get closed, so I might as well help close it.

To Chris, if you ask where did God come from, I shall ask you the same question.

Where did the beginning of matter come from? The matter that made up the big bang had to come from somewhere. I can promise you that matter did not appear out of nothing. From that theory I differ that there must be some type of higher being.

With that said why would God/Deity of your choice, create us? I for one do not want to go through life thinking we were created for God's entertainment, so I follow the path that life is a test, a sort of proving grounds for us.

Take it as you will, close it if you must, but atleast think about it.

[Chris42050]

Personman
It doesnt take a mind reader to read what you have typed. You have made false connections in my statement. You want to prove me wrong so you assumed I said something I never did just so you could call me ignorant. I never said even half of what was in your post. You just wanted to assume I did. Go ahead and prove me wrong on statements I never made. I really don't care. But please, don't call me ignorant. You have no idea what I do and don't know by simply reading a few sentences I have typed. If you wish to continue this discussion PM me.

[Chris42050]

Its gonna get closed, so I might as well help close it.

To Chris, if you ask where did God come from, I shall ask you the same question.

Where did the beginning of matter come from? The matter that made up the big bang had to come from somewhere. I can promise you that matter did not appear out of nothing. From that theory I differ that there must be some type of higher being.

With that said why would God/Deity of your choice, create us? I for one do not want to go through life thinking we were created for God's entertainment, so I follow the path that life is a test, a sort of proving grounds for us.

Take it as you will, close it if you must, but atleast think about it.

I am going to say I really dont know how the universe formed, no one does. But to assume this invisible magical man did it is just too far fetched for me. I never once mentioned big bang. You all asumed I did. I said I dont think the magic man did it. I said many of the religous teachings have been proven false and they have. I never said any specific one nor did I say all were proven wrong. Ther is no proof that the magic man did it. Nor is thier proof that a magic man exists. But I pose the question again. Who created the magic man? He had to come from somewhere right? Magic men dont appear out of nothing do they?

Edit: You too may PM me for further discussion.

[AGDlover]

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[Boski51]

Chris;

Magic men are created, but God by the very definition is and was and always will be-no matter if you think he is or not. If you think science is the answer and that science is truth, you have not studied science at all. Science is a methodology for observation-nothing more and nothing less.

The only proof of God you will ever get is self evident in his creation. Look all around you. The odds that all these things happened by accident is, statistically speaking, impossible. when you have kids, look at them and tell me they are an accident of nature. You obviously don't understand the big questions in life-I hope someday you do.

BTW: In before the lock!

[SAW]

Chris;

Magic men are created, but God by the very definition is and was and always will be-no matter if you think he is or not. If you think science is the answer and that science is truth, you have not studied science at all. Science is a methodology for observation-nothing more and nothing less.

The only proof of God you will ever get is self evident in his creation. Look all around you. The odds that all these things happened by accident is, statistically speaking, impossible. when you have kids, look at them and tell me they are an accident of nature. You obviously don't understand the big questions in life-I hope someday you do.

BTW: In before the lock!

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

[tropical_fishy]

Proof negates faith. If you need proof you don't have faith, and God doesn't exist. If you have faith and don't need proof, God exists.

The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
'But,' says Man, 'the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and therefore, by your own arugments, you don't. QED.'
'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
'Oh that was easy,' says Man and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed at the next pedestrian crossing.

That being said...if he wants to throw his life away for religion, who's to stop him? Hah, Christianity as it is today is such a joke. But hey, if he wants to do it...

[Head knight of Ni]

Chris;

Magic men are created, but God by the very definition is and was and always will be-no matter if you think he is or not. If you think science is the answer and that science is truth, you have not studied science at all. Science is a methodology for observation-nothing more and nothing less.

The only proof of God you will ever get is self evident in his creation. Look all around you. The odds that all these things happened by accident is, statistically speaking, impossible. when you have kids, look at them and tell me they are an accident of nature. You obviously don't understand the big questions in life-I hope someday you do.

BTW: In before the lock!

Not really statistically impossible. 100 billion stars,(I think it was per galaxy or something) and 100 billion galaxies known to humanity. That's alot of room for error.

[Stix]

For some odd reason I feel compelled to say something. First off, respect each other's opinions. After all, this is America; you're allowed to have wrong opinions. Also, props, because I could probably never leave a life that had that much fame money and power...

But since we're on the topic of some magic guy creating the world vs. some other strange theory... here's my take on it. You believe in God creating the universe. You're either wrong or right; he did everything or nothing. That's 50/50. If your right, kudos to you. If your wrong, and you follow some sort of sane religion, you've then probably dedicated your life hopefully to doing good things. No harm done, and maybe even made a neighbor smile once or twice.

But if you were to believe in some theory that has many, many pieces... say macro evolution for example, you'd have to believe in every part of it, from beginning to end. Mathematically, that doesn't add up. You'd have to believe that this twist or theory that has a 1/1000000000000000000 chance truly occured, and then believe that the next turn or theory that has a 1/1000000000000000 chance occuring also did, and so on... through the trillions of twist and turns to end up where we are to today. You'd have to add them up, because current theoretical science depends on the theories beforehand being correct. So if you're a betting man... 50/50 are much bettter odds than whatever probability stacked up in the end.

[tropical_fishy]

I don't necessarily think religion and science are mutually exclusive. Take the Bible; it's scientifically impossible for God to have made the world in seven days. God didn't even MAKE the sun until the third day. There were no hours, there was no time as humans know it.

But you could say that the Bible is a metaphor; that when God made the world, the "seven days" were actually millions of human-years long, or that God created the matter and pressure that made the big bang happen.

And why is macroevolution so hard to believe? We can observe from nature that:
a)sexually discriminate mating happens
b)genetic mtuations happen
c) change in large populations happens over a long period of time
d)animals with the best genes to survive in an environment are selected for.

One random question for the Christians out there: why do you think the dinosaurs aren't in the Bible? No, i'm not trying to start a fight, I'm really just curious.

[Stix]

One random question for the Christians out there: why do you think the dinosaurs aren't in the Bible? No, i'm not trying to start a fight, I'm really just curious.

This is subject to debate even amoung ourselves. Some feel that the vast majority did not survive the flood... how can you stuff an 60 ft. brachiosaurs into an Ark? Thus, if you believe in the flood, there isn't anyone left besides Noah and his family that can tell of what happened to these huge animals, and everyone knows details that arn't written down or passed through verbal lore die fast. The account of what happened during the flood was written by Moses, many, many, many years later and it is likely some details were lost; besides, which animals made it and didn't isn't the purpose of the book of Genesis. However, reputedly the oldest book in the Bible, written before the account of the flood is the book of Job by around 100 years (correct me if I'm wrong guys), God makes specific references to an animal through the term leviathan. From the description this thing is huge. A dinosaur? Perhaps, speculation entirely. Imo, there are more important doctrines to worry about and discourse.

[tropical_fishy]

Imo, there are more important doctrines to worry about and discourse.

Yes, there are. I love listening to people talk about their religion, lol. What's your take on the formation of the world? Genesis I or Genesis II? Neither?

[Stix]

Yes, there are. I love listening to people talk about their religion, lol. What's your take on the formation of the world? Genesis I or Genesis II? Neither?

I don't quite follow this Genesis I/II, please illuminate me. As for myself, I believe in the whole 7-days thing, strait out of the book. There are several reasons why, but the main reason is thus; there are tons of possibilities out there about time frame, what seven days means, etc. But then there's actually what's written down on paper. Since I don't know any better, I'll stick with that. And if God truly wants to make an issue about it and says, "why didn't you think of whatever reason", at least I can say, "that's all I had to work with and was too stupid to know otherwise". Though, to be honest I think God will grill me more on how I lived my life than whether or not I got the general theology surrounding creation.

When it get's down to it, most people I talk to find this whole seven days is too impossible to believe. Sure it is, because most people can't even assemble a 10,000 piece puzzle in a month, let alone even begin to create something as complicated as the world, or the universe for that matter. But we psychos believe in an omnipotent God remember? God ain't so omnipotent if He's limited by man's tiny imagination; He far exceeds that. Well, that's what I believe anyway

[tropical_fishy]

God tells two stories in Genesis. In Genesis I, God creates the earth: "<i>the earth was without form and void... darkness..."</i> Then in the second God creates the earth from a field and sky.

There are so many discrepancies in the Bible. How do you explain them?

[SpecialBlend2786]

God ain't so omnipotent if He's limited by man's tiny imagination; He far exceeds that. Well, that's what I believe anyway

me too.