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[Boski51]

God tells two stories in Genesis. In Genesis I, God creates the earth: "<i>the earth was without form and void... darkness..."</i> Then in the second God creates the earth from a field and sky.

There are so many discrepancies in the Bible. How do you explain them?

Fishy;

Get your Bible out and dig into it. Look online and follow your good questions with study and you will find your answer about the discrepancies you bring up. Seek and you will find.

I could get into a debate with you on this topic and nothing for you would change. You can take the popular view on God or faith-its easy to not believe. God made it that way. I know that you may not understand that point, but i trust you will some day.

God wants you to questions passionately, search for him in all the details, in all the hard questions and all the not so easy answers. Question and doubt all you want, but do your self a favor and research the topic in depth. Read the great thinkers-pro and con on this topic. Get all sides and really look into it. If you do that, you will find some surprising answers.

If you hold a position, hold it will complete inteligence. Don't be like the majority in this country and take the easy road and just copy the stuff your teachers or pastors or stupid friends think. Find out for yourself the big answers.

I will start your quest with one question: Is there such thing as God and does he care about me? It's a big questions with HUGE implications. Get your arms around that one and the rest will follow.

Blessings on your search.

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Fishy;

Get your Bible out and dig into it. Look online and follow your good questions with study and you will find your answer about the discrepancies you bring up. Seek and you will find.

I could get into a debate with you on this topic and nothing for you would change. You can take the popular view on God or faith-its easy to not believe. God made it that way. I know that you may not understand that point, but i trust you will some day.

God wants you to questions passionately, search for him in all the details, in all the hard questions and all the not so easy answers. Question and doubt all you want, but do your self a favor and research the topic in depth. Read the great thinkers-pro and con on this topic. Get all sides and really look into it. If you do that, you will find some surprising answers.

If you hold a position, hold it will complete inteligence. Don't be like the majority in this country and take the easy road and just copy the stuff your teachers or pastors or stupid friends think. Find out for yourself the big answers.

I will start your quest with one question: Is there such thing as God and does he care about me? It's a big questions with HUGE implications. Get your arms around that one and the rest will follow.

Blessings on your search.

Amen to that!!

[Stix]

God tells two stories in Genesis. In Genesis I, God creates the earth: "<i>the earth was without form and void... darkness..."</i> Then in the second God creates the earth from a field and sky.

There are so many discrepancies in the Bible. How do you explain them?

I think your just reading this incorrectly, there is just one story. Genesis 1:1 states that God created the heavens and the earth, period. This is just a statement of fact in of itself, a thesis of you will. Verse 2 states that he started out with pretty much nothing; the rest of the chapter the process of creation, how He went about it. Chapter 2:1 says, "Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in their vast array". The term "thus" in the English language means "consequently", which would therefore implicate everything explained beforehand leaded up to the creation of everything we see now, and provides the explanation of said primary thesis stated in Genesis 1:1, and therefore relates continuity with the preceeding passage.

"I made this awesome raced autococker! Now I didn't have anything at first.... but then I bought this part from here, and that from there... and now this AC is all done!"

It obviously doesn't mean that he had his AC beforehand, or that he has made two AC's. That's my take on the issue.

I must admit, I've encountered a lot of people with an agenda to bring down my faith, and I have never heard this used as a discrepancy.

So is this thread officially hijakced or what?

[tropical_fishy]

It most definitely is hijacked

You assume that because I'm posing questions to you that I don't believe in God. On the contrary, I do. And I do study religion; it's a hobby of mine, if you can't tell. I enjoy asking hard questions to religious people to see how they answer them, it gives me a better insight. It's not because i'm trying to disprove your religion or whatnot.

[Jack_Dubious]

you people are all totally wrong, that is *NOT* how the universe was created. This is how the universe was created:

Before time began there was no heaven, no earth and no space between. A vast dark ocean washed upon the shores of nothingness and licked the edges of night. A giant cobra floated on the waters. Asleep within its endless coils lay the Lord Vishnu. He was watched over by the mighty serpent. Everything was so peaceful and silent that Vishnu slept undisturbed by dreams or motion.

From the depths a humming sound began to tremble, Om. It grew and spread, filling the emptiness and throbbing with energy. The night had ended. Vishnu awoke. As the dawn began to break, from Vishnu's navel grew a magnificent lotus flower. In the middle of the blossom sat Vishnu's servant, Brahma. He awaited the Lord's command.

Vishnu spoke to his servant: 'It is time to begin.' Brahma bowed. Vishnu commanded: 'Create the world.'

A wind swept up the waters. Vishnu and the serpent vanished. Brahma remained in the lotus flower, floating and tossing on the sea. He lifted up his arms and calmed the wind and the ocean. Then Brahma split the lotus flower into three. He stretched one part into the heavens. He made another part into the earth. With the third part of the flower he created the skies.

The earth was bare. Brahma set to work. He created grass, flowers, trees and plants of all kinds. To these he gave feeling. Next he created the animals and the insects to live on the land. He made birds to fly in the air and many fish to swim in the sea. To all these creatures, he gave the senses of touch and smell. He gave them power to see, hear and move.

The world was soon bristling with life and the air was filled with the sounds of Brahma's creation.



JDub

[Boski51]

It most definitely is hijacked

You assume that because I'm posing questions to you that I don't believe in God. On the contrary, I do. And I do study religion; it's a hobby of mine, if you can't tell. I enjoy asking hard questions to religious people to see how they answer them, it gives me a better insight. It's not because i'm trying to disprove your religion or whatnot.

Try studying God, not religion. Try looking past religion and look into a real and personal relationship with your maker.

If you really do have honest questions I can help point you in the direction that I took (right or wrong)-cuz I have hijacked this thread long enough.

I am surpized it has not been closed yet....

[tropical_fishy]

you can't understand what a religion thinks of God until you know its history. You can't choose a religion until you know its dogma inside and out. I think that's a good enough reason to study religion and believe in God until you find a religion that's right (if you ever do).

[Boski51]

What's the real truth in a religous dogma if the definition of God is wrong. You will not know if the definition is wrong until you anwser the question of God and his nature for yourself.

Religion is the words used to describe a god. A personal relationship with God thru study, question, seeking, prayer and trails produces an authentic and viable faith that is worth having.

Answer the big questions first and the rest fall into line.

[Stix]

you can't understand what a religion thinks of God until you know its history. You can't choose a religion until you know its dogma inside and out. I think that's a good enough reason to study religion and believe in God until you find a religion that's right (if you ever do).

I disagree up to a point. A religions history is a rather dubious way of finding out what it's all about. People have a tendency to completely pervert whatever dogma is in their religious doctrines. The Crusades, strapping 5-year old retarded children with bombs, pike stakings because someone did something out of their caste and the like is generally totally against a lot of religious doctrine. But if you look in history, unfortunately that's what your going to find. That shouldn't be a basis in of itself of what a religion is really about.

Neither should knowing a dogma inside and out influence your decision completely, because honestly there is just too much to know. You'd have to go through thousands of different translations, and different takes on the same thing. And to know absolutely everything, it would take a lifetime of study and dedication. That's not possible for everyone, nor is it practical. How many self-righteous prigs that know everythign about this religion and that religion still be a total jerk, and totally NOT be what their religion tells them to be? However, I do agree that one should devote some time and study to something like religion if they are truly interested in pursuing it; it's not a trivial thing to devote your life to some unseen force.

The easiest way I found, is to take a look at how a person is living. Is he/she a good person? Does he/she stand up for what she believes in? Is he/she truly happy about life? Was this person a total jerk before? I believe the best testimony for people, is not fancy litature, dogma, etc. but in changed lives, and good people that love each other and their neighbors, and living/loving life to it's full. Who can say no to that?

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Broski and Stix - you guys are awesome

[SpecialBlend2786]

The easiest way I found, is to take a look at how a person is living. Is he/she a good person? Does he/she stand up for what she believes in? Is he/she truly happy about life? Was this person a total jerk before? I believe the best testimony for people, is not fancy litature, dogma, etc. but in changed lives, and good people that love each other and their neighbors, and living/loving life to it's full. Who can say no to that?

Good point there.

On a side note, I read in Chi's (The bassist of the Deftones) personal liner notes on 'Adrenaline', and I noticedthat on all the Deftone CDs the first person he thanked was - "The Almighty Spirit That Moves Through All Things". I also read Chi's
comments about that:

Chi: "A guy named Tom Brown Jr. studied under an Apache elder. instead
of categorizing under one God-head, he saw that everyone was going to
have their own interpretation of God and a sense of harmony. So, "The
Almighty Spirit That Moves Through All Things" refers to the
harmonious nature of whatever you chose to call God, as it moves
through everything, even down through sub-atomics. The way Tom Brown
summed it up was the best. He didn't have any prejudices when talking
about The Spirit That Moves Through All Things. He wasn't' being
judgmental. He was describing the harmonious, underlying thing, which
kind of rolls everything together."


Just food for thought.

[toolfan62]

Wow there is a lot of posting going on..lol you guys get really into it.

[Boski51]

I think its a fun topic.....too bad we can't post this kind of stuff on AO.

Boski AKA Papa Smurf

[Boski51]

"The easiest way I found, is to take a look at how a person is living. Is he/she a good person? Does he/she stand up for what she believes in? Is he/she truly happy about life? Was this person a total jerk before? I believe the best testimony for people, is not fancy litature, dogma, etc. but in changed lives, and good people that love each other and their neighbors, and living/loving life to it's full. Who can say no to that?"

Stix; 100% right on! That's my entire point on religion. A changed life is far more useful to God than what denomination you are (dogma).

[onedude36]

Jesus rocks

but I still like hard rock and a little metal...