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  • SlartyBartFast
    The Flying Scotsman
    • Jun 2002
    • 2940

    #106
    Originally posted by phazeshifter
    No slap needed!
    If every Jedi had been destroyed, and it were only the Sith in existence, then yes, the Force would be balanced (because you wouldn't have the good vs. evil conflict). But since Obi-Wan, Yoda, Luke and Leia were all alive, then the Force was being pulled in two different directions.
    Think you got the idea of "balance" a little wrong!

    Balance means equal weight on each side. Under no definition does it mean one side in control.

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    • Vex
      Superiorly Inferior
      • Jun 2001
      • 1871

      #107
      Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
      Think you got the idea of "balance" a little wrong!

      Balance means equal weight on each side. Under no definition does it mean one side in control.
      Okay, once again, in this reference, a "balanced" Force does not mean equal Light side and equal Dark side! One of the definitions of balance, according to Merriam-Webster:
      : to bring into harmony or proportion
      That's what Luke does by being the Chosen One, he brings harmony to the Force--the Light and Dark sides are no longer battling each other and the galaxy is at peace!

      Why is this concept so difficult to understand?
      "Otaeri wa doko desu ka?"
      ------------
      --Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
      ------------
      Think you're ready, Grasshopper?
      www.ohioshaolin.com

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      • Vex
        Superiorly Inferior
        • Jun 2001
        • 1871

        #108
        Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
        Sure.

        Much like the Kremlin was at the "beck and call" of the Supreme Soviet.

        The Jedi were always going around "convincing" senate members and member planets about the "right way" to vote/behave. Who was amking those decisions? Jedi Council.
        The Jedi have a responsibility to the Repulic and the Galactic Senate, period. If the Republic has a dispute with member planets, then yes, the Jedi are used to try to resolve the issue peacefully. They don't just go throwing their weight around and using the mind trick on whomever they please!
        The Jedi Council decides what course of action they are going to take as far as resolving disputes, then they assign the Jedis they think are best suited for the task.
        As Mace stated, they are keepers of the peace, not soldiers.
        Last edited by Vex; 03-16-2005, 04:33 AM.
        "Otaeri wa doko desu ka?"
        ------------
        --Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
        ------------
        Think you're ready, Grasshopper?
        www.ohioshaolin.com

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        • Vex
          Superiorly Inferior
          • Jun 2001
          • 1871

          #109
          Well, let me put it another way--Anakin is the Chosen One, but it is not he who fulfills the prophecy--it is Luke. So, yes, technically Anakin could be the Chosen One, but technically it could be Luke who brings balance to the Force. They couldn't do it without each other...they are the Yin and Yang.

          Overall, I think that it's ambiguous at best and is meant to be decided by the individual viewer.

          Some great points/counterpoints have been brought up for both side of the debate!
          I'm just glad to see so many other SW geeks on AO!!
          Last edited by Vex; 03-16-2005, 04:38 AM.
          "Otaeri wa doko desu ka?"
          ------------
          --Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
          ------------
          Think you're ready, Grasshopper?
          www.ohioshaolin.com

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          • BigEvil
            www.BigEvilOnline.com

            • Feb 2005
            • 9333

            #110
            Its amazing to me, how different the older episodes are viewed with each new one released. I just watched ROTJ last night after reading all of the spoilers and such on E3. The significance of the whole confrontation at the end becomes even more intriguing(sp?). You can picture Anikin in the Vader suit, where as before E2 and E3 you couldnt.

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            • SlartyBartFast
              The Flying Scotsman
              • Jun 2002
              • 2940

              #111
              Originally posted by phazeshifter
              As Mace stated, they are keepers of the peace, not soldiers.
              So, when it suits their needs, they enforce the senates decisions (or more exactly the executives decisions, or more sinisterly, the Jedi council's interpretation of what is best for the senate and republic).

              They act undemocratically. What's so good and clean about think and do as we say or we negotiate "aggresively"?

              Then, when the senete goes bad (Palpatine takes over) they....

              ACT IN THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST AND MONITOR THE ACTIONS OF PALPATINE.

              A cute and rosy dictatorship (like the Jedi council or Disney World) is just as evil as a dirty and nasty one (Soviets or Sith). Neither is free.

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              • adam_61550
                Stupid Fat Hobbit.
                • Apr 2002
                • 239

                #112
                Ahh that's all well and good, but what you have to realize is....

                when it comes down to it....



                Boba Fett OWNS ALL.
                Last edited by adam_61550; 03-16-2005, 09:27 AM.

                :: how jedi are you? ::

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                • wyn1370
                  ...--...
                  • Feb 2001
                  • 3821

                  #113
                  Originally posted by phazeshifter
                  Okay, once again, in this reference, a "balanced" Force does not mean equal Light side and equal Dark side! One of the definitions of balance, according to Merriam-Webster:
                  : to bring into harmony or proportion
                  That's what Luke does by being the Chosen One, he brings harmony to the Force--the Light and Dark sides are no longer battling each other and the galaxy is at peace!

                  Why is this concept so difficult to understand?
                  Originally posted by adam_61550
                  Ahh that's all well and good, but what you have to realize is....
                  when it comes down to it....
                  Boba Fett OWNS ALL.
                  except the sarlac
                  You are the Wormtongue of AO.~bofh

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                  • Eatem Alive
                    Wait...What?
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1150

                    #114
                    didn't he actually escape from the sarlac
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                    • lopxtc
                      Unix Geek
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 2706

                      #115
                      Yes in one of the later story books I do believe this happened. Not sure which author it was from though.

                      Aaron

                      Originally posted by Eatem Alive
                      didn't he actually escape from the sarlac
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                      • bam wannabe
                        one lazy mofo
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 417

                        #116
                        alright ppl, anakin to me did, and didnt bring balance to the force. in ep. 3 u will see that when (SPOLIER ALERT) mace is fighting sidious, it a string grueling battle and blah blah blah, but sidious uses lightning on mace, mace blocks it with his lightsaber, but anakin comes running along (by the way im just summing this all up, i dont feel like saying how anakin got there and what all happened before this) but then anakin comes up, mace asks for him to strike down sidious cause sidious was on the floor. but sidious was yelling about how he can show anakin how to be stronger and junk. so anywho... anakin whips out his lightsaber, lopps off mace's hand, which gave the emperor the chance to throw him out of a window to his death with his lightning strike. thats 1 reason i think anakin isnt the chosen one. he could have ended it right freakin there!!!!! what a moron!!!!!!! but then again he does throw the emperor to his death in rotj... ironic isnt it?
                        "wtf is a CKY!!??!!"
                        -Don Vito

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                        • bam wannabe
                          one lazy mofo
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 417

                          #117
                          Originally posted by lopxtc
                          Yes in one of the later story books I do believe this happened. Not sure which author it was from though.

                          Aaron

                          im sure if u search around the internet u can also find a poster of him flying out of it, and shooting down at it.
                          "wtf is a CKY!!??!!"
                          -Don Vito

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                          • Hexis
                            Green Mag Freak
                            • Sep 2001
                            • 2427

                            #118
                            In the books Boba doesn't quite fly out. He does eventually make it out. He gets help from somone.


                            wrt obiwan calling Anakin the chosen one: Did folks watch the same traile I did? Obiwan says "You were the chosen one!" That's past tense, so I'm thinking Obiwan figured out anakin is just a PITA.

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                            • bam wannabe
                              one lazy mofo
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 417

                              #119
                              Originally posted by Hexis

                              wrt obiwan calling Anakin the chosen one: Did folks watch the same traile I did? Obiwan says "You were the chosen one!" That's past tense, so I'm thinking Obiwan figured out anakin is just a PITA.
                              yup
                              "wtf is a CKY!!??!!"
                              -Don Vito

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                              • gimp
                                Registered User
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 2368

                                #120
                                ::::SPOILER::::
                                This is what Obi-Wan says:

                                "You were the chosen one! It was said you would destroy The Sith, not join them. It was you who would bring balance to The Force, not leave it in darkness. You were my brother, Anakin," says Obi-Wan. "I loved you, but I could not save you."


                                Eventually, balance does come to the Force. The whole process is started by Anakin. I'd think that would make him the chosen one.

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