Pics from SW: Episode III

[SlartyBartFast]

No slap needed!
If every Jedi had been destroyed, and it were only the Sith in existence, then yes, the Force would be balanced (because you wouldn't have the good vs. evil conflict). But since Obi-Wan, Yoda, Luke and Leia were all alive, then the Force was being pulled in two different directions.

Think you got the idea of "balance" a little wrong!

Balance means equal weight on each side. Under no definition does it mean one side in control.

[Vex]

Think you got the idea of "balance" a little wrong!

Balance means equal weight on each side. Under no definition does it mean one side in control.

Okay, once again, in this reference, a "balanced" Force does not mean equal Light side and equal Dark side! One of the definitions of balance, according to Merriam-Webster:
: to bring into harmony or proportion
That's what Luke does by being the Chosen One, he brings harmony to the Force--the Light and Dark sides are no longer battling each other and the galaxy is at peace!

Why is this concept so difficult to understand?

[Vex]

Sure.

Much like the Kremlin was at the "beck and call" of the Supreme Soviet.

The Jedi were always going around "convincing" senate members and member planets about the "right way" to vote/behave. Who was amking those decisions? Jedi Council.

The Jedi have a responsibility to the Repulic and the Galactic Senate, period. If the Republic has a dispute with member planets, then yes, the Jedi are used to try to resolve the issue peacefully. They don't just go throwing their weight around and using the mind trick on whomever they please!
The Jedi Council decides what course of action they are going to take as far as resolving disputes, then they assign the Jedis they think are best suited for the task.
As Mace stated, they are keepers of the peace, not soldiers.

[Vex]

Well, let me put it another way--Anakin is the Chosen One, but it is not he who fulfills the prophecy--it is Luke. So, yes, technically Anakin could be the Chosen One, but technically it could be Luke who brings balance to the Force. They couldn't do it without each other...they are the Yin and Yang.

Overall, I think that it's ambiguous at best and is meant to be decided by the individual viewer.

Some great points/counterpoints have been brought up for both side of the debate!
I'm just glad to see so many other SW geeks on AO!!

[BigEvil]

Its amazing to me, how different the older episodes are viewed with each new one released. I just watched ROTJ last night after reading all of the spoilers and such on E3. The significance of the whole confrontation at the end becomes even more intriguing(sp?). You can picture Anikin in the Vader suit, where as before E2 and E3 you couldnt.

[SlartyBartFast]

As Mace stated, they are keepers of the peace, not soldiers.

So, when it suits their needs, they enforce the senates decisions (or more exactly the executives decisions, or more sinisterly, the Jedi council's interpretation of what is best for the senate and republic).

They act undemocratically. What's so good and clean about think and do as we say or we negotiate "aggresively"?

Then, when the senete goes bad (Palpatine takes over) they....

ACT IN THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST AND MONITOR THE ACTIONS OF PALPATINE.

A cute and rosy dictatorship (like the Jedi council or Disney World) is just as evil as a dirty and nasty one (Soviets or Sith). Neither is free.

[adam_61550]

Ahh that's all well and good, but what you have to realize is....

when it comes down to it....



Boba Fett OWNS ALL.

[wyn1370]

Okay, once again, in this reference, a "balanced" Force does not mean equal Light side and equal Dark side! One of the definitions of balance, according to Merriam-Webster:
: to bring into harmony or proportion
That's what Luke does by being the Chosen One, he brings harmony to the Force--the Light and Dark sides are no longer battling each other and the galaxy is at peace!

Why is this concept so difficult to understand?

Ahh that's all well and good, but what you have to realize is....
when it comes down to it....
Boba Fett OWNS ALL.

except the sarlac

[Eatem Alive]

didn't he actually escape from the sarlac

[lopxtc]

Yes in one of the later story books I do believe this happened. Not sure which author it was from though.

Aaron

didn't he actually escape from the sarlac

[bam wannabe]

alright ppl, anakin to me did, and didnt bring balance to the force. in ep. 3 u will see that when (SPOLIER ALERT) mace is fighting sidious, it a string grueling battle and blah blah blah, but sidious uses lightning on mace, mace blocks it with his lightsaber, but anakin comes running along (by the way im just summing this all up, i dont feel like saying how anakin got there and what all happened before this) but then anakin comes up, mace asks for him to strike down sidious cause sidious was on the floor. but sidious was yelling about how he can show anakin how to be stronger and junk. so anywho... anakin whips out his lightsaber, lopps off mace's hand, which gave the emperor the chance to throw him out of a window to his death with his lightning strike. thats 1 reason i think anakin isnt the chosen one. he could have ended it right freakin there!!!!! what a moron!!!!!!! but then again he does throw the emperor to his death in rotj... ironic isnt it?

[bam wannabe]

Yes in one of the later story books I do believe this happened. Not sure which author it was from though.

Aaron

im sure if u search around the internet u can also find a poster of him flying out of it, and shooting down at it.

[Hexis]

In the books Boba doesn't quite fly out. He does eventually make it out. He gets help from somone.


wrt obiwan calling Anakin the chosen one: Did folks watch the same traile I did? Obiwan says "You were the chosen one!" That's past tense, so I'm thinking Obiwan figured out anakin is just a PITA.

[bam wannabe]

wrt obiwan calling Anakin the chosen one: Did folks watch the same traile I did? Obiwan says "You were the chosen one!" That's past tense, so I'm thinking Obiwan figured out anakin is just a PITA.

yup

[gimp]

::::SPOILER::::
This is what Obi-Wan says:

"You were the chosen one! It was said you would destroy The Sith, not join them. It was you who would bring balance to The Force, not leave it in darkness. You were my brother, Anakin," says Obi-Wan. "I loved you, but I could not save you."


Eventually, balance does come to the Force. The whole process is started by Anakin. I'd think that would make him the chosen one.