Valentine's Day now Vagina Day--Penis Day celebrations go soft.

[Jakedubbleya]

What i meant is this - if you allow one, you ahve to allow both. That is equality. Men and women are different (duh). Allowing V-day and not P-day (though why either should be allowed I have no clue) illustrates the base, that it is impossible to treat people differently and yet still as equals - at least in what is allowed or given in the legal sense. I don't mean you should treat all women like you do your guy friends, I am more discussing it on a legal (or education, employment - instituional) level

You are right from a political point of view, but not a scientific or philosophical one.

Of course political is the most important for apllication to our system.

So, from an american point of view, id have to agree with you.

[Ov3rmind]

Why? Because giving males the same rights as females is totally out of the question, right?

No. Crazy because there's people walking around in giant penis and vagina costumes.

[davidb]

Much as it's been beaten to death already, I'm going to say it - men and women are NOT the same, nor are they equal in all things. Now, don't take that to mean that men and women are not "equal". I think where people tend to get confused on that issue is the misconception that for to people to be equal, there strengths and weaknesses, good qualities and bad qualities, and so on have to come to a sum or average that is "equal" in both parties. Obviously, if this were the case, there would be very, very few people who could be considered to be equal to each other (and interestingly enough, atheistic beliefs would not allow for a belief in such "equality", as such a painstaking balancing act would be quite the long shot for evolution to achieve and maintain).
People's equality has nothing to do with any such balance. We are all simply equal in our human dignity. However, just because one person is of equal worth to another person to another does not necessarily mean that they should have the same opportunities, or even the same rights. Very few people would argue for a ten-year-old child's rights to vote and buy alcohol, but nobody is questioning that the child should have all the more basic human rights and dignity.
Without going too far along that vein, I have no problem with men and women having the same rights, as long as they meet the same criteria. You want to have female firefighters? Fine, but they'd better be able to to hoist my butt (or that of a heavier person for that matter) on their shoulder, and to bring down a door with an axe, and all of the other things that firemen need to do, as well as should be expected for the job. If women want to be in the military, doing the same jobs as men, they should be able to meet the requirements that men have to meet for the same positions. The tragic and shocking results of such draconian laws would be that there would be more men in these positions than women. Some women would do as well as the men, some would do better, but realistically, most would not make the cut.
Let me ask you a direct question TropicalFishy, with one qualifier up front - any and all sarcasm is intended to lighten the mood, not to mock anyone.
If you were being attacked in your home, by a rapist for example (it could be any one of us after all), who would you want to come to your rescue? More specifically, picture this: he managed to let himself in and then lock the door behind him. He's a fairly big guy. There's a cop at your door who heard the commotion while driving by. Without knowing anything specific about the cop, would you prefer that they be a man or a woman?
The same question, of course, applies to many other situations. If you were in a burning building..?
I really don't think that you're the type of "feminist" who would be illogical about that type of thing, or expect that others should for that matter. But anyway..
In my personal opinion, the label "feminist" is one that should be dropped by anyone who believes in equal rights. The very name implies that you are promoting the agenda of females at the expense of males, which of course flies in the face of the stated goal of equality. The argument that males have it easy enough already doesn't cut it. Taking that attitude about things turns it into a war, which is a bad idea for a great many reasons. Men are historically pretty good at war, for one thing . In all seriousness though, if men are holding all the cards or all the power, as you seem to believe, how far do you think you will get trying to take it from them if it is done in such a way as to make it into a conflict? The general promotion of equality is something that most decent people have no problem striving for, why not be cooperative about it?
Things like V-day are wrong not only because of general immorality and promotion of anti male sentiment, but because they are actually counterproductive to their own (stated) goals because of those things. When women (replace "women" with any group that considers itself to be oppressed) treat men (replace with any group accused of being an oppressor) as an enemy, and demand special priveleges and treatment for themselves, men who actually believe in equality will tend to go on the defensive, and either attempt to revoke those special priveleges or remove their specialness by gaining them for themselves.
When a "feminist" can both scoff at being treated like a lady, by a gentleman who believes that a lady is entitled to (or that a gentleman is obligated to give) special treatment because she is a lady, and demand that women be given an "equal" part in in the armed/police/work forces through the use of quotas and lowered standards, they shouldn't be surprised when sane men and women call BS.
Just a (long, boring, rambling, incoherent) thought.

[Target Practice]

Damn Dave, little tired?

[ultralight]

the idea that women should be given anything with the only requirement being that they are women is utterly ridiculous.

the same goes for people being given jobs/money/anything because they are anything.

you earn your way. the only thing you deserve are your rights as an american.
the world doesn't owe you a job.

if someone feels that they deserve something then they should work to earn it.

to paraphrase what was said before: affirmative action and femminism as ideas are well-meaning attempts to equal out an injust system. however, in reality, as real-world applications both of these ideas have failed to promote equality. and instead have been misused in an attempt to gain superiority for those who champion these failed causes. they have also caused discrimination against those previously accused of discrimination and promoted stereotyping on a much larger scale.

i am not racist, cheauvanist, or homophobic. but because i am a heterosexual white male many women, blacks, and gays wrongfully see me as an enemy. the fact is that i don't care what color you are, if you have a penis or who you sleep with. as long as you are cool to me i'll be cool to you. simple.

i personally believe that whoever is most qualified to get a job should get that job. wether they are male, female, black, white, or asian. giving a job to a less qualified worker for the sake of filling a quota is wrong. i'm not saying that all who have been hired because of affirmative action are less skilled, but I know it happens.

on the topic of V-day? the students have a case against the college. they are being wrongfully discriminated against because they are male.

[Phobos]

God I love collage Republicans!!! I also loved thier Afiramitve action bake sale that got shut down but the the wage gap bake sale.

By the way you dont have to be rich, white, or male to love freedom and equlity so stop offending me (Witch in the liberal mindset is worse than murder.)

No one "rules" this nation, any one can take as big of a peice of the pie they just have to work for it, earn it, or take a big risk. Now naturally men are more of risk takers.

The majority of collage grads thease days are female, I think on the order of 60/40. Is any one sreaming about equality, no. They are celebrating that women are now more equal.

Long story short if you get V-day we get P-day.

Connection with the whole run-away bride in GA. If you now want to be treaded as our equils you cant pull the freaking "I had a crisis" card.

Oh ya it was a school in Wiona, MN and the guys T-shirts said "I support your Vagina" not "I Love your vagina" I dont think they would have liked that one.