what battle?

[SlartyBartFast]

You nazi...

You learn more from from your mistakes than your victories....

And THAT is a word you don't call ANYONE unless the jerk is wearing a swastika. And if said in person to me would earn you immediate retribution.

Discussing the losses, sacrifices, and where the Nazis actually won also counter balances the "Saving Private Ryan" glorification of the war. As does admittingand recognizing the attrocities suffered by all sides (say the result of fire bombing or nuclear bombs).

Or, perhaps studying the mindset of the Kamakasee fighter lends insight to current religious fanatics.

Or focus on specific technologies used in various battles, the dam busters, the V1/V2s, development of the jet engine....

There's a wealth of information off the beaten path.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

does anyone know any battles involving ptboats and e boats

I don't think you could find much on those little boats in actual battles. They were mainly used for short & mid-range patrols around bases and along coastlines. I don't know offhand of any major engagements involving either.

I thought you had chosen Kursk?

[FromTheBack]

Oh hurray, a use for my WWII: Pacific class this semester. PT boats were only used in hit and run attacks as they were made out of wooden frames and created to be super powerful speedboats with torpedo tubes. All I know about an event with them is when they were first used to get McArthur out of the phillipines (I think) when a base there was falling on a night run; cant remember exactly where though.
Iwo Jima is a very interesting battle even though it is highly publisized most only know the surface and dont look into the details. By then the U.S. had pushed the Japanese close to their homeland and they fought even harder then before. American forces had now mastered the amphibious landing which was a big factor in the speed of the operation and loss of lives. What I found interesting is that the US took the 2 airstips in the center of the island and landed some new P-51s on it to attack areas of the island where it was still thick in fighting as short as a half mile from the airfields. Also the japanese had artillery on rails in southern most mountain that would be fired and then brought inside, this was deadly because the US forces could not knock these out easy. And we all know about the event claiming American "victory" putting up the flag on top of the mountain, but many of those soldiers died trying to clear out that very mountain later in the day.

[SCpoloRicker]

You nazi...

Can always count on you for the Godwin.

Battle of Hoth

Brian = teh awesome

/methinks 68bird is gonna get overwhelmed with options

[Konigballer]

if you want to do a battle that has'nt been done to death like the entire Normandy campaign, the Bulge, etc, what about the Battle for the Hurtgen Forrest in late '44-early'45?

Its a relatively little known WW2 battle from the ETO between the American and German army that probably won't be in one of your fluffed up school history books. It was'nt a "Rah, rah, USA!!" kind of battle, itt was basically a brutal slugfest were 22,000 Americans died in a meat grinder with no real gain. It's a bitterly remembered and somewhat controversial battle for the american military but since the later Battle of the Bulge got all the press, then and now, it was largely forgotten. Heres a good link to learn some stuff about it.

http://www.hurtgen1944.homestead.com/Index.html

[Steelrat]

He already went with the Battle of Kursk, so nya nya nya!

We need to start a good WW2 discussion thread, seems like there is a lot of military knowledge on the forum.

[Konigballer]

"He already went with the Battle of Kursk, so nya nya nya!"-

Damn, everyones drawn to battles with Tiger tanks in them! Eh, I like em too, plus theres a million books websites on that battle.

"We need to start a good WW2 discussion thread, seems like there is a lot of military knowledge on the forum."

To true, it's a good break from the normal "how do i know if a girl likes me?", or "have you ever lit a fart?" type threads we get here.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

...

"We need to start a good WW2 discussion thread, seems like there is a lot of military knowledge on the forum."

To true, it's a good break from the normal "how do i know if a girl likes me?", or "have you ever lit a fart?" type threads we get here.

Good idea! I'll start one...

[Jakedubbleya]

People think i was serious...

*baffled*

And technically that isnt the correct context for Godwins law.

LET ME JUST SAY THAT I WAS NOT SERIOUS, THANK YOU, WT*.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Oh hurray, a use for my WWII: Pacific class this semester. PT boats were only used in hit and run attacks as they were made out of wooden frames and created to be super powerful speedboats with torpedo tubes. All I know about an event with them is when they were first used to get McArthur out of the phillipines (I think) when a base there was falling on a night run; cant remember exactly where though.
...
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MacArthur, with his wife, son and senior staff left the island fortress of Corregidor on 3 PT- boats. They went south to the island of Mindanao, where they boarded B-17s for a flight to Australia. I think it was at Mindanao that he gave his famous "I shall return" speech.

[SlartyBartFast]

People think i was serious...

*baffled*

So don't use the mad smilie.


Use a lighthearted one....

[Jakedubbleya]

But i thought all smileys were sarcastic!

[SCpoloRicker]

People think i was serious...

*baffled*

And technically that isnt the correct context for Godwins law.

LET ME JUST SAY THAT I WAS NOT SERIOUS, THANK YOU, WT*.

So, your ignorant as well.

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

[Jakedubbleya]

*claps* he can look it up! lets see if he can understand its origins and context now!

Why dont you try reading it one more time.

[SCpoloRicker]

I wonder what Army pulled?

Anywhoo, here goes.

--wikipedia--
Godwin's law (also Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states that:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. In addition, it is considered poor form to invoke the law explicitly. Godwin's law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. Many people understand Godwin's law to mean this, although, as is clear from the statement of the law above, this is not the original formulation.

Nevertheless, there is also a widely-recognized appended codicil that any intentional invocation of Godwin's law for its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful. See "Quirk's exception" below. (my bolding, as this is the likely loophole jake is alluding to in his coolness).

Quirk's exception
Intentional invocation of this so-called "Nazi Clause" is ineffectual.

--end wikipedia--

SO WHAT?

Well, in my ever so humble opinion, we have a classic bait and switch.

See, the initial response he expected was "OMG! Godwin counts even if you don't say Hitler1!"

To which he would respond. "ROFL looser! See, it wasn't really Godin. Look at Godwin FAQ @ KillFAQ.org

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6. "Hitler!" Ha! The thread is over!

Nope, doesn't work that way. Not only is it wrong to say that a
thread is over when Godwin's Law is invoked anyway (Usenet threads
virtually always outlive their usefulness), but long ago a corollary to
the Law was proposed and accepted by Taki "Quirk" Kogama ([email protected]):

Quirk's Exception: Intentional invocation of this so-called
"Nazi Clause" is ineffectual.

Sorry, folks. Nice try, though.
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At which point, I sigh, and concede that in that context, you can go ahead and win the intarwebb wars.

You're still a moran in my book.