Should Marijuana be legalized for medical purposes/recreation?

[InfinatyBPS]

If you don't try weed in the first place, it stands to reason you won't become addicted to it. Thus, laws are in place to stop the 'addictive personalities' from being able to manifest themselves.



Yes, those people were avid marijuana users. The last I saw of my best friend a few years ago, she had graduated from pot to PCP in the course of a year. The pattern is repeated over and over, in many people's lives.

The addicted users, I'd argue, are the ones who rely upon a substance to function, not those who seek a different/better high. The quest for a better high can affect those who do not become dependant upon a substance.

As you're so conveniently forgetting (as with many others in this thread) If you can't try it in the first place, there is a ZERO chance of you becoming addicted and going on to other, harder drugs. Period.

Edit: the appeal to emotion is all too convincing, how do you think the Iraq war had such approval?

But erradication of Marijuana will never happen, the drug war will never be won, this is the point. Do you support a fight in which millions of American's, many of them with no other crimes on their record other than a pot convicton, most likely just for possesion for personal use, freedoms to stop the few people who MAY become addicted only because of their weak personalities at the expense of the personal choice and freedom of millions more Americans? As well as spend billions of America's tax dollars every year on incarcerating these people, rehabilitation(like that ever happens) and all those stupid Anti-Marijuana commcercials, just imagine how everytime you see a new one thats another fewe million dollars of our tax money that just got thrown down the drain because many of today's teens are actually beginning to see that all the stuff that has been taught so long is so untrue because their sucessful, intelligent, popular classmates smoke weed as well as their friends' parents and respected people in society didn't die, go insane, start smoking crack, or kill people for weed money. You are forgetting that you support the law in the hope that there will be ZERO chance of people trying the drug and getting addicted, but your forgetting thats not whats happening. And it will never happen until the day every house, every building, every street corner, every school, is under serveillance and has drug sniffing dogs patrolling around the streets, if thats the America you want to live in then be my guest, but that will be that day I'm moving to Canada. The drug war has been been a complete waste of time, money, manpower and lives. Why must the government continue to fight this losing battle at the expense of the American people? Because they are benefiting from it because they are taking our tax money, they are taking our power, our freedom so they can get richer, so they can fill their perpetual addiction to power, to money. Why is it that you do not see that this isn't a fight against the gang members and the druggies that are gonna run into you at 4 miles an hour while stoned in their old beat up VW bug, this is a fight against you neighbors, your friends, your family members, your freedom as an American. If thats not how you see it, then try to see it like that, try to see it through the eyes of the people who are doing what they have to do in life, working, supporting their family, being good citizens, putting up with all the bull that society and life puts us through and just want to live life in peace, in freedom. But how can anyone when live in freedom when we are always a suspect, you, me, the old lady going for a walk, the little boy sitting with his mother coming home from grocery shopping with their food stamps. You may be thinking why would these peopel be suspects, because thats the world you would like to create to erradicate Marijuana, and what it comes down to, is it really worth it? We have much bigger problems than marijuana in this country, maybe you should rethink your priorities.

[Lohman446]

But erradication of Marijuana will never happen, the drug war will never be won, this is the point. Do you support a fight in which millions of American's, many of them with no other crimes on their record other than a pot convicton, most likely just for possesion for personal use, freedoms to stop the few people who MAY become addicted only because of their weak personalities at the expense of the personal choice and freedom of millions more Americans? As well as spend billions of America's tax dollars every year on incarcerating these people, rehabilitation(like that ever happens) and all those stupid Anti-Marijuana commcercials, just imagine how everytime you see a new one thats another fewe million dollars of our tax money that just got thrown down the drain because many of today's teens are actually beginning to see that all the stuff that has been taught so long is so untrue because their sucessful, intelligent, popular classmates smoke weed as well as their friends' parents and respected people in society didn't die, go insane, start smoking crack, or kill people for weed money. You are forgetting that you support the law in the hope that there will be ZERO chance of people trying the drug and getting addicted, but your forgetting thats not whats happening. And it will never happen until the day every house, every building, every street corner, every school, is under serveillance and has drug sniffing dogs patrolling around the streets, if thats the America you want to live in then be my guest, but that will be that day I'm moving to Canada. The drug war has been been a complete waste of time, money, manpower and lives. Why must the government continue to fight this losing battle at the expense of the American people? Because they are benefiting from it because they are taking our tax money, they are taking our power, our freedom so they can get richer, so they can fill their perpetual addiction to power, to money. Why is it that you do not see that this isn't a fight against the gang members and the druggies that are gonna run into you at 4 miles an hour while stoned in their old beat up VW bug, this is a fight against you neighbors, your friends, your family members, your freedom as an American. If thats not how you see it, then try to see it like that, try to see it through the eyes of the people who are doing what they have to do in life, working, supporting their family, being good citizens, putting up with all the bull that society and life puts us through and just want to live life in peace, in freedom. But how can anyone when live in freedom when we are always a suspect, you, me, the old lady going for a walk, the little boy sitting with his mother coming home from grocery shopping with their food stamps. You may be thinking why would these peopel be suspects, because thats the world you would like to create to erradicate Marijuana, and what it comes down to, is it really worth it? We have much bigger problems than marijuana in this country, maybe you should rethink your priorities.

And I thought the right wing conspiracy theorists had a stranglehold on this type of paranoia (sp) and questionable logic.

[gc82000]

And I thought the right wing conspiracy theorists had a stranglehold on this type of paranoia (sp) and questionable logic.

QFT

Now back to the topic, Has anyone thought about the Economical side of trying to legalize marijuana, the legal paperwork the licensing and certification it would take to be a Dealer? Also the fact that once it does become legalized it will be controlled off the bat by large corporations that have the ability to mass produce and distribute to ppl at prices that will be greatly reduced. Imagine buying a pack of joints for $10. And what that would do to all the dealers of today that make a living off of selling only weed. With the need to license and certify Which more then likely they wont do. They will still lose to big corporations in the selling and distributing of product. I cant of a way to end this now but I hope I put int a good point to the discusion.

[frop]

corona is the best tasting beer ive tried...

Ugh.

[InfinatyBPS]

QFT

Now back to the topic, Has anyone thought about the Economical side of trying to legalize marijuana, the legal paperwork the licensing and certification it would take to be a Dealer? Also the fact that once it does become legalized it will be controlled off the bat by large corporations that have the ability to mass produce and distribute to ppl at prices that will be greatly reduced. Imagine buying a pack of joints for $10. And what that would do to all the dealers of today that make a living off of selling only weed. With the need to license and certify Which more then likely they wont do. They will still lose to big corporations in the selling and distributing of product. I cant of a way to end this now but I hope I put int a good point to the discusion.

So you want... to support... illegal drug dealers? Ok, I do too but... not by keeping pot illegal. Lol, that was weird. Oh and Lohman, thanks for just ignoring every point I made by analyzing my post with one sentence. If your against legalization of marijuana tell me how im wrong, bring up how crack use went down like 1% in the past 10 years or something( i don't know the number, but use of some hard drug went down a very small amount)

[NoForts4Me]

2. Isn't it a bit pretentious to assume that kramer is from the US? This is an international board, is it not? It's quite possible that the person in question is NOT fighting for him in ANY way, ideologically AND nationalistically.

He's from "Cali." Sorry to get off topic, but this always strikes a nerve with me when our soldiers are disrespected. The thread he mentioned honors someone sacrificing for all of us in the U.S., and yes, people in other countries as well.

[kramer]

He's from "Cali." Sorry to get off topic, but this always strikes a nerve with me when our soldiers are disrespected. The thread he mentioned honors someone sacrificing for all of us in the U.S., and yes, people in other countries as well.

How in hell is he fighting for my rights by being in IRAQ???????

I would rather see the woman and men HERE defending out BORDERS than police-ing the world.

And if they ARE to be the policemen of the world, then they should be paid ADEQUATELY and EQUAL to the danger they are going through.


in essence, Id rather they be HOME and SAFE. christ, when did IRAQ ever have plans to invade the US??????


oh, but smoking pot is bad......yeah, thats it.


Marijuana is a drug, true - but as much of one as either caffeine or chocolate is - it is not as dangerous as alcohol cigarettes, yet it has been put in the same category as heroin......in my opinion it should be legalized yet controlled like cigarettes - i.e. minimum age is 21 for use.

[frop]

What I don't understand is why people think that drugs, marijuana in this case, are the worst thing on earth simply because the government tells you so. I am inclined to trust my own experience over some pompous crusader politician. I also don't see why people get so up-in-arms over something that they have no interest in. If you have no interest in smoking pot, then don't. However, simply because you do not subscribe to my beliefs does not make them wrong.

EDIT - I am not advocating drug use. My personal decisions are mine alone. Most drugs are EXTREMELY harmful. Marijuana is not one of them. Marijuana is a plant that grows in nature, as is tobacco. Sure, smoking anything adversly affects your lungs, I am not denying that. There is also a HUGE misconception the marijuana is a gateway drug, and that if you smoke pot, you MUST be dropping acid or snorting coke. It is simply not true, despite what politicians would like you to believe.

Don't believe the hype. Form your own opinions from personal experience, not from what you are told.

This isn't directed solely at you LS.

I can't fathom why the majority of weed advocates blindly assume that those against weed are that way because 'the government tells them to' or 'they believe the hype'. Those same people (the majority of users, in my experience) moronically blather on about the lack of ill effects.

To those that will automatically lump me into the category of 'do what the government says', I will NEVER do something like that. Blindly following, becoming a sheep rails against my will and is an insult of the gravest magnitude(I have almost come to blows because of it).

I used to smoke weed VERY heavily, and so did my friends at the time. What stopped me was watching my then best friend completely change, and not for the better. He ended up doing coke behins my back, IN MY BATHROOM. I said to myself, "I can't let that happen to me." and stopped.

The problem is, the damage doesn't go away. Everything is so fuzzy & blurry, I feel stupid at times. It's been almost three years & I've only gotten worse. It;s as if smoking weed aged my mind quite a bit & it doesn't feel good.

I don't really know if it is better for it to be legal or illegal, but if it were legal, there should be a responsibility test & a necessary license. I feel the same test should be required for alcohol too.

Oh, well, I can't remember how I was going to finish this off.

[InfinatyBPS]

"Sure I have. But, never have I conciously chose to get drunk. My one beer to wash down a plate of wings, will not put me over the legal limit of public intoxication.

Every pot smoker though, has but one goal....to get high, stoned, ripped, mellow, burnt, charred, or "poop" faced. As little as A bowl can/will get you fried. :rofl:

All you guys that say that it's no worse than alcohol...do you really want to add stoned people to the mix on the highways? There is little chance the drunks and stoners will take each other out at the same time.



BTW, prohibition was not repealed because of crime rates (the Al Capones were already established before the ban. Running booze simply added another income source.), but for tax revenues that the govt. was no longer receiving.

1. After a while of smoking you begin to have a great amount of control of your high, enough to even, smoke and not be "Fried", "Ripped", and "poop faced" is more of a term for getting drunk. It is very much possible to take a couple hits of weed, goto class take notes, talk to the class, the teacher and not even have red eyes, but you just feel a slight sense of comfort over you. Sure you probably shouldn't drive in this state. But can you really say that someone that does that deserves to go jail or prison? Just for being slightly high? It is even possible to take one hit and not get stoned at all, just a slight sense of releif, but your still pretty much sober, hell you probably could drive like this and drive better than say if you were tired at the end of the day driving home from work.

2. Most likely there won't be anymore stoners on the road than there already are. Actually, they already said the amount of users would stay the same. And nobody is advocating driving under the influence.

[InfinatyBPS]

The problem is, the damage doesn't go away. Everything is so fuzzy & blurry, I feel stupid at times. It's been almost three years & I've only gotten worse. It;s as if smoking weed aged my mind quite a bit & it doesn't feel good.

I have smoked everyday for 3 years and I quit recently this last week to go home early everyday and work on projects. I could feel my mind straighten up, my thoughts re-organize, and I felt the fuzziness go away. Are you sure your vision just didn't get bad and you just noticed because you weren't stoned anymore?

[frop]

I have smoked everyday for 3 years and I quit recently this last week to go home early everyday and work on projects. I could feel my mind straighten up, my thoughts re-organize, and I felt the fuzziness go away. Are you sure your vision just didn't get bad and you just noticed because you weren't stoned anymore?

Sure things got better, a little. My vision has always been bad, that's not what I'm talking about. It's my mind that's screwed, & I donn't see things getting better.

[drg]

If you are truly a "Drunken Fool (usually)," that's much more likely to be the explanation for your mental acuity issues rather than marijuana. Alcohol damages the communication pathways in your brain; THC has no such effect.

[Lohman446]

So you want... to support... illegal drug dealers? Ok, I do too but... not by keeping pot illegal. Lol, that was weird. Oh and Lohman, thanks for just ignoring every point I made by analyzing my post with one sentence. If your against legalization of marijuana tell me how im wrong, bring up how crack use went down like 1% in the past 10 years or something( i don't know the number, but use of some hard drug went down a very small amount)

Seriously read your post and you'll understand what I meant - it looks like some conspiracy theory. And when did I ever say I was against the federal governments powers being pared down to the levels enumerated in the consititution?

[LudavicoSoldier]

This isn't directed solely at you LS.

I can't fathom why the majority of weed advocates blindly assume that those against weed are that way because 'the government tells them to' or 'they believe the hype'. Those same people (the majority of users, in my experience) moronically blather on about the lack of ill effects.

To those that will automatically lump me into the category of 'do what the government says', I will NEVER do something like that. Blindly following, becoming a sheep rails against my will and is an insult of the gravest magnitude(I have almost come to blows because of it).

I used to smoke weed VERY heavily, and so did my friends at the time. What stopped me was watching my then best friend completely change, and not for the better. He ended up doing coke behins my back, IN MY BATHROOM. I said to myself, "I can't let that happen to me." and stopped.

The problem is, the damage doesn't go away. Everything is so fuzzy & blurry, I feel stupid at times. It's been almost three years & I've only gotten worse. It;s as if smoking weed aged my mind quite a bit & it doesn't feel good.

I don't really know if it is better for it to be legal or illegal, but if it were legal, there should be a responsibility test & a necessary license. I feel the same test should be required for alcohol too.

Oh, well, I can't remember how I was going to finish this off.

Marijuana, as any drug (alcohol and tobacco included) has its list of side effects. Short term memory loss, obesity (diue to munchies, HAH!), lung cancer, etc.. It is up to the individual user to accept the consequences of their actions. I am hurting noone but myself, so why should you, or anyone else care? Why should I be labeled a criminal for smoking a bowl in the privacy of my own home? It's no different from sitting down and having a few beers while you watch TV.

Alcohol, the only legal hustle.

[SCpoloRicker]

LOL @ kramer

Worst threadjack evar!1

/in all seriousness, the advocates on this subject really aren't helping things, are they?