When does 'No' mean 'No'?

[Archangel Zer0]

The girls that think they have control of the situation are not the only girls that get raped. So in your reality you show no sympathy for a girl that goes through that? You show no sympathy for a miscalculation? for a girl thinking that she knows a guy as a friend, only to find out that the only thing he wants is her body?
How could you tell someone not to feel sorry for a friend? Where the **** are your morals, or more importantly your heart.

I think that if a close friend of yours was raped, someone who you really cared about, you'd feel something.
If not you're no better then the guys that do this ****.

Are you out of your mind? This girl has been through this three times and she'll hang out with him again why? She needs to take some responsibility, kick the freak out of her room, and report the situation to her RA, dorm supervisor, College Board, etc.

You learn as a small child to keep your hands out of fire or you'll get burned. Since this girl seems to not want to learn that lesson she'll probably end up getting hurt. Is it sad? Sure, but she has the power to stop it now. She is making a choice not to. No pity here, either.

This victim mentality we have going on in America needs to stop.

[SpecialBlend2786]

You're misunderstanding my point of view... going off on a tangent.... and have no idea of what my personal experience has been with this subject. I won't explain, I don't want to talk about it.

Certain types of sex offenders are among the lowest scum in my mind and should be hung by their genitals.

Note that I said "little sympathy," not "no sympathy." Interpret that how you wish. My sympathy for children... someone who had a random attacker... things of this sort - is going to be different from a girl who keeps hanging around a guy that's been acting stupid.

Note the part where he said: "she's still hanging out with him a 3rd time." Is she making large efforts in trying to avoid him?

She opens her dorm room door, see's the guy down the hall and slams it. She avoids him at all costs. I'd say she's making an effort to avoid him.

She isn't ASKING for anything. The two other times have been MINOR, and if i understand correctly this is the first serious attempt where there was a physical incident. After things turned physical she's been avoiding him.

If something happens now, even after she's made all efforts to avoid him, including contacting her RA, is it still her fault? Would you still show little sympathy?

You're not the only one with personal experience on this subject.

[SpecialBlend2786]

Are you out of your mind? This girl has been through this three times and she'll hang out with him again why? She needs to take some responsibility, kick the freak out of her room, and report the situation to her RA, dorm supervisor, College Board, etc.

You learn as a small child to keep your hands out of fire or you'll get burned. Since this girl seems to not want to learn that lesson she'll probably end up getting hurt. Is it sad? Sure, but she has the power to stop it now. She is making a choice not to. No pity here, either.

This victim mentality we have going on in America needs to stop.

SHGE"S ALREADY CONTACTED HER ****ING RA! SHE"S ALREADY MADE EVERY ATTEMPT TO STAY AWAY! WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT??!?

WHERE was it said that she had hung out with him after this third time?! where was it said that she wants to have ANYTHING to do with him anymore?!

[tropical_fishy]

Azaam, chill out, or Derek's gonna delete the thread. Let it go. Stop posting.

[slade]

Is she making large efforts in trying to avoid him?

id say yes.

Are you out of your mind? This girl has been through this three times and she'll hang out with him again why? She needs to take some responsibility, kick the freak out of her room, and report the situation to her RA, dorm supervisor, College Board, etc.

You learn as a small child to keep your hands out of fire or you'll get burned. Since this girl seems to not want to learn that lesson she'll probably end up getting hurt. Is it sad? Sure, but she has the power to stop it now. She is making a choice not to. No pity here, either.

This victim mentality we have going on in America needs to stop.

read the first post again. she SAID why she didnt do anything at first. he stopped pursuing it and seemed like he was accepting her wishes, and accepting that they were to be friends only. but the last time it clearly went over that line. dont assume she hasnt taken responsibility for it, youre assuming too much, dont jump to conclusions. she HAS reported it to her RA, but he hasnt done much about it.

oh, and to you, miscue and everyone who says shes stupid etc for being around him. ive talked to her too. shes at college, and he lives 2 doors down from her. she opens the door, and hes walking by in the hall. her dorm has a party? hes there. its not like shes calling him up and saying, "hey, want to get together, you know so you can make me uncomfortable and sexually assault me again?" shes not stupid, and after he slapped her she definately DOESNT want to be anywhere near him. but also its not like shes going to hide in her room her room for 4 years, shes going to go out which means shes likely to run into him.

[Miscue]

I think that if a close friend of yours was raped, someone who you really cared about, you'd feel something.
If not you're no better then the guys that do this ****.

I cannot explain to you how angry your comments have made me and the self-restraint it took to keep civil - I don't think you would have liked my first draft of this post.

Holding someone as tight as you can who just told you, "I've been raped..." crying with her - as helpless as I felt I knew I could not know what she felt. And that's just the beginning. Multiple people, multiple stories... long periods of dealing with the aftermath... I don't want to get into it any further. I'm not saying that you don't have your experiences, or am trying to make any comparisons... but don't tell me that I am as bad as them.

[SpecialBlend2786]

I cannot explain to you how angry your comments have made me and the self-restraint it took to keep civil - I don't think you would have liked my first draft of this post.

Holding someone as tight as you can who just told you, "I've been raped..." crying with her - as helpless as I felt I knew I could not know what she felt. And that's just the beginning. Multiple people, multiple stories... long periods of dealing with the aftermath... I don't want to get into it any further. I'm not saying that you don't have your experiences, or am trying to make any comparisons... but don't tell me that I am as bad as them.

that was in bad taste, I wasn't thinking straight, and i'm sorry for saying what i did.

Just got angry, ya know? Having someone tell me not to feel sorry for her if she gets hurt.

I'll srtop posting now

[Recon by Fire]

that post was not needed at all. you just essentially said the girl is overreacting and immature, while insulting derek at the same time, and possibly implying that she is using him.

No, you have it wrong. I am just advising him to be wary of women who would lure you into being a knight in shining armor. These women are pretty much trouble with a capital T.

[Indignant]

Well this one isn't, so leave. This thread will probably be gone soon anyways.

[Cameo]

Agreed, but there is whackos out there who just dont get it.

They don't get it because some girls like to play mind games. they like to say no to see how far a guy will push it. they say the oposite of what they mean and it confuses the guy. Some will say things just to get a reaction.. If you find one of these girls run far far away.


But a basic rule to be safe is if she says no, then don't.

[mutigerfan04]

They don't get it because some girls like to play mind games. they like to say no to see how far a guy will push it. they say the oposite of what they mean and it confuses the guy. Some will say things just to get a reaction.. If you find one of these girls run far far away.


But a basic rule to be safe is if she says no, then don't.

Bravo well put.

[devildog]

i didnt read this whole thing, but my point of view is there is 2 sides to every story. im not saying i dont believe, just remember that.

also, i agree with the guy above about the mind games. women are wierd, they dont even know what they want. most of the time.

[SpecialBlend2786]

i didnt read this whole thing, but my point of view is there is 2 sides to every story. im not saying i dont believe, just remember that.

also, i agree with the guy above about the mind games. women are wierd, they dont even know what they want. most of the time.

Well, in this case i'm sure that when she said no, she ment no.

[Dubstar112]

Thats kinda where I was headed, but I didnt want to offend anyone, and I think the title answered itself way before anyone replied.