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  • Automaggot68

    #1

    When does 'No' mean 'No'?

    When a girl tells you 'No', does it always mean 'No'?

    Answer below.



    Yes. It always means NO.


    Recently a friend of mine was in a situation where a guy was trying to kiss her, put his hands on her.
    She resisted several times.
    She told him that he wasn't going to get anything from her, not a kiss or otherwise.
    After she resisted more he gave up,'I'm going to bed then'.
    He Left her dorm-but not before giving her a slap on her rear.
    I asked her how hard, and she told me,"It was a sexual thing, it wasn't to cause pain".
    This was in her dorm room, with the door open.

    This girl, I've known her for several years.
    She can be a flirt, but she has never led anyone on that I've ever been aware of.
    The kind of flirting where a guy says something, the girl quips back-nothing more after that.
    Further more, she is a well...Jerk<insert 'B' word here>. When something bothers her, she lets you know. She is clear, and is loud.
    There was nothing lost in translation, she was verbal regarding his actions.

    I told her no means no. I told her not to hang around with him one-on-one anymore.
    I told her you don't cross the line when you don't get what you want.
    I told her that it doesn't matter, you don't touch a girl--No. you don't touch a person that doesn't want to be touched.

    This should be Added.
    He has tried to kiss her twice before.
    I asked her why why hung out with him a third time.
    "because I defused the situation before it got out of hand and he wasn't aggressive about it. Furthermore, while I got the impression that that's what was happening, and he was definitely closer than I was comfortable with, he always let it go after I moved away. I figured since he didnt pursue it those times, a 'no' the next time will be taken the same way."


    What about you AO?
    What would you tell the girl who came to you?
    Do you think she's overreacting to his actions?
    Smart *** comments and the like wont be welcome in this thread, or any of that rubbish.
  • JoshK
    Je mange du poulet. mmmmm
    • Mar 2004
    • 2666

    #2
    No does mean no.

    If someone doesn't want to go past a certain point, you should do nothing to make them go past that point. Accidently or on purpose.

    As a christian that's why I discussed with my girlfriend what my line is, so that once we get there she will understand we won't go past it. Same with me and her line.

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    • Indignant

      #3
      Well, the guy sounds like a dick. Sounds like the type I end up getting in fights with because alot of the time people are just to goddamn blind to see that they are being taken advantage of. People like that just need to GTFO, the world is a better place without them.

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      • slade
        Carpe Noctem
        • Apr 2004
        • 3442

        #4
        I agree with what you told her. if she says and means no, and clearly conveys that, he should respect what she said. it looked like he did at first though, since she said that he let it go the first two times he tried to kiss her, and she moved away. however after he slapped her... she did clearly show that she was not interested in him, and he aparently decided to not respect that. so i agree with what you said, she should stay away from him.
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        • CprodigyX
          Registered User
          • Sep 2004
          • 34

          #5

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          • FooTemps
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            • Sep 2001
            • 6702

            #6
            Tell her that she should carry some sort of self defense the next time she hangs around the guy. Pepper spray ought to diffuse the situation if it really gets out of control. lol. That's an extreme measure though. I suggest that she stay away from the guy if he tries to get what she doesn't want to give. And if she still insists on hanging out with him, a well placed slap ought to tell him "no". Those methods are really confrontational and would piss the guy off though so I don't think those would be all that good of an idea. She should just avoid the guy from now on.

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            • RevBrown
              The uncle you dont mention
              • Feb 2004
              • 451

              #7
              She should definitly stay away from this guy. It sounds as if he believes no means "Try again later" Definitly sounds like he has the potential to get more aggresive.
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              • Kevmaster
                Owners Group Div: Director
                • Oct 2001
                • 5475

                #8
                no always means no. it never means anything short of STOP.

                technically...he could be arrested for what he did.

                i don't respect any man who doesnt understand this.

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                • quik
                  I eat your unhappiness
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 1732

                  #9
                  phpppptttt everybody knows no means yes, and yes means no!

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                  • Target Practice
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                    • Nov 2003
                    • 3180

                    #10
                    I was once accused of being a rapist.

                    It made me so mad, I knocked the guy down, flipped him over, and pounded him like there was no tomorrow.


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                    • Dubstar112
                      Dubstar111x
                      • Feb 2001
                      • 2321

                      #11
                      I agree, NO definatley means NO, except when said after the fact. At that point you have to wonder of her intentions. I mean going so far and then her saying no she didnt want any of that to happen is complete bull. I believe girls are in control as much as us guys and trying to fool the system is just plain wrong. I know of one guy who went to trial and was aquitted of all charges because the girl admitted she lied about saying no. In his case it didnt go on his record but normally if you are acused of rape it sticks with you whether guilty or not.

                      Confront him about it. If he has nothing to say then that should be the end. But I dont care how long you know a person, and I still know girls(read friendly type) who Ive grown up with that always after the fact have said "I'd wish nothing would have happened". If she let it go that far its her fault. Say no before saying no isnt an option and its his fault. Saying no during or after and its hers. Regret doesnt mean no, and hopefully you can decipher the situation yourself.

                      Dont take this, or any of this forum as legal or professional help either. This is opinion not law.

                      I would tell her to stay away from him also. But dont overrule the fact she may be overreacting. Its a per-situation kind of decision that you have to judge as it comes.
                      Last edited by Dubstar112; 09-10-2005, 10:42 PM.
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                      • billybob_81067
                        A.O.'s official Redneck
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 1682

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Target Practice
                        I was once accused of being a rapist.

                        It made me so mad, I knocked the guy down, flipped him over, and pounded him like there was no tomorrow.
                        You flipped him over and POUNDED him??? Wow I think you ARE a rapist!
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                        • Automaggot68

                          #13
                          Editted for Civility:

                          Going so Far?
                          She didn't do ANYTHING.
                          How far did she go?
                          She was laying face down on her bed, while he and others were watching a movie.
                          When the others left, he tried to roll her over, to kiss her.
                          She resisted, and gave him the what's what.

                          I left this out because I wanted a broad range of opinions, but you took this in a completely diffrently direction.

                          Trying to fool the system? I'm not sure i'm follwing you.
                          This person is alot more standup than ALOT of the people on this forum.
                          She volunteers at the Women's Shelter, she tutors middle schoolers, she was a Lifeguard down here in San Diego, and helped train the younger interns over the summers.

                          Said after the Fact? This was said before and during. When he got the picture, then he used his hand.

                          Originally posted by Dubstar112
                          I agree, NO definatley means NO, except when said after the fact. At that point you have to wonder of her intentions. I mean going so far and then her saying no she didnt want any of that to happen is complete bull. I believe girls are in control as much as us guys and trying to fool the system is just plain wrong. I know of one guy who went to trial and was aquitted of all charges because the girl admitted she lied about saying no. In his case it didnt go on his record but normally if you are acused of rape it sticks with you whether guilty or not.

                          Confront him about it. If he has nothing to say then that should be the end. But I dont care how long you know a person, and I still know girls(read friendly type) who Ive grown up with that always after the fact have said "I'd wish nothing would have happened". If she let it go that far its her fault. Say no before saying no isnt an option and its his fault. Saying no during or after and its hers. Regret doesnt mean no, and hopefully you can decipher the situation yourself.

                          Dont take this, or any of this forum as legal or professional help either. This is opinion not law.

                          I would tell her to stay away from him also. But dont overrule the fact she may be overreacting. Its a per-situation kind of decision that you have to judge as it comes.
                          Last edited by Guest; 09-10-2005, 10:53 PM.

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                          • 3pac
                            Token Black Paintballer
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 253

                            #14
                            No means NO! How hard is it to respect someone's wishes? If anything, that guy is a complete idiot for believing that something means another thing. If something is said out of the mouth, there is definately some meaning behind it, else you wouldn't say it. That's just my 2 cents

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                            • Dubstar112
                              Dubstar111x
                              • Feb 2001
                              • 2321

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Automaggot68
                              Editted for Civility:

                              Going so Far?
                              She didn't do ANYTHING.
                              How far did she go?
                              She was laying face down on her bed, while he and others were watching a movie.
                              When the others left, he tried to roll her over, to kiss her.
                              She resisted, and gave him the what's what.

                              I left this out because I wanted a broad range of opinions, but you took this in a completely diffrently direction.

                              Trying to fool the system? I'm not sure i'm follwing you.
                              This person is alot more standup than ALOT of the people on this forum.
                              She volunteers at the Women's Shelter, she tutors middle schoolers, she was a Lifeguard down here in San Diego, and helped train the younger interns over the summers.

                              Said after the Fact? This was said before and during. When he got the picture, then he used his hand.
                              Right, respect that this is the internet and not every aspect can be accounted for. Im only making comments, and asking you to judge whether or not they fit the situation.

                              I also agreed and she shoudl tell him to stay away.


                              If you left it out and I took it in another direction it isnt my fault. I AM trying to cover all the aspects but like I said above not all can be accounted for.

                              I also appreciate your civility, as you can obviously tell this is the internet. Too bad not everyone could be like that.
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