Question for firearms enthusiasts . . .

[Alpha]

Alright, so I'm a huge fan of the Springfield Armory M-14 (and most of its variants). My question is, with current firearm laws, is it possible for a civilian to own an M-14/variant in semi-auto with the standard 20 round magazine? Is it possible to own with an FFL? I don't plan on owning it to go hunting or anything, just for target shooting at a range.

Thanks for the input!

While the assault weapon ban ended a while ago, Massachusetts still has an identical law to it. 20 round magazines do indeed classify a weapon as an "assault weapon" in massachusetts and are illegal with a regular FFL.

[Remington]

jesus, john, you took the fusion thing pretty rough -- huh?

No, no, no . . . I'm just thinking a couple years in advance. Hoping to pick up one of these down the road and was hoping it was legal in MA.

[Trippzilla06]

Alright, I hate to keep reposting on the same subject, because it seems like only a few of you are interested but here goes.

As far as I know, No, I do know, You can own an M1A in any state, even CA, it's not the Weapon it's self that's illegal, it's the 20 rd. magazine that is questionable. But if you go onto the Springfield Armory website, go into their magazine section, they're selling or were last time I checked 20 rd. box magazines for $13.00. The assault weapons ban, or parts of it to my understanding were never renewed when they came up to be expired or renewed in I believe it was either 2005 or 2004.

Either way, I know a guy, personnaly who owns an M1A in California. M1A has never been in question, it's the Magazine that is.

[REDRT]

Alright, I hate to keep reposting on the same subject, because it seems like only a few of you are interested but here goes.

As far as I know, No, I do know, You can own an M1A in any state, even CA, it's not the Weapon it's self that's illegal, it's the 20 rd. magazine that is questionable. But if you go onto the Springfield Armory website, go into their magazine section, they're selling or were last time I checked 20 rd. box magazines for $13.00. The assault weapons ban, or parts of it to my understanding were never renewed when they came up to be expired or renewed in I believe it was either 2005 or 2004.

Either way, I know a guy, personnaly who owns an M1A in California. M1A has never been in question, it's the Magazine that is.

Califoria also has a problem with flash suppressors. M1As have a different deal, I believe Cali leagal M1As have a muzzlebreak in stead of a flash suppressor. I think that is the only state for that silly law. Also they can't be ordered with the E2 stock or in camo I believe in California. Don't quote me on that one, I might be wrong on that. The assault weapon ban wasn't renewed. Another silly law. California most likely doesn't allow hi cap mags, but I don't know off hand. The original starter of this thread is from Ma or somewhere in the New England States. I'm not too sure there neither. Like I said before swing on in to the Gun shop and ask. They normally can tell you anything reguarding a firearm law in their area.

[Army]

so umm... when all the mods went over this before, didnt you guys say characters like *#$% were fine?

No.



Read it. Learn it. Live it.

[Wheelman]

Seeing as you live in Mass. I'd say you're pretty well screwed, last time I checked I think you need a licence to even look at a bullet. Seriously it's not that bad but you wanna make damn sure you have your permits in place or the gov't will really put the screws to you. Or you could just move to Maine or Texas or something where you can own damn near everything as long as it's semi-auto (unless you have an NFA permit then you're my new best friend)

[mobsterboy]

As far as I know, Im 18 and do not have a driver's liscence or a car. I live with my mother and go grocery shopping for my "fun" on Friday and Saturday nights.

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[tsc]

Califoria also has a problem with flash suppressors. M1As have a different deal, I believe Cali leagal M1As have a muzzlebreak in stead of a flash suppressor. I think that is the only state for that silly law. Also they can't be ordered with the E2 stock or in camo I believe in California. Don't quote me on that one, I might be wrong on that. The assault weapon ban wasn't renewed. Another silly law. California most likely doesn't allow hi cap mags, but I don't know off hand. The original starter of this thread is from Ma or somewhere in the New England States. I'm not too sure there neither. Like I said before swing on in to the Gun shop and ask. They normally can tell you anything reguarding a firearm law in their area.

Wow. Where to start.

You cannot have a threaded barrel in Ca. Thus, threaded barrels must have a flash surpressor/muzzle brake pinned and soldered (welded) to the barrel.

You are correct about the e2 stock, but seriously, a banned FINISH? You're nuts.

The FEDERAL AWB sunsetted, but California has a state AWB with no sunset clause.

Magazines in California are limited to 10 rounds.

Seeing as you live in Mass. I'd say you're pretty well screwed, last time I checked I think you need a licence to even look at a bullet. Seriously it's not that bad but you wanna make damn sure you have your permits in place or the gov't will really put the screws to you. Or you could just move to Maine or Texas or something where you can own damn near everything as long as it's semi-auto (unless you have an NFA permit then you're my new best friend)

The only permit you need in Ma is for conealed carry. There is an FID however.

There is no such thing as an NFA permit.

[Target Practice]

This thread's all full of retarded.

Edit: 'Cept for Army and tsc. They're cool.

[SniperSmurf]

You're full of ...
What the hell did I say?

[Wheelman]

Wow. Where to start.



The only permit you need in Ma is for conealed carry. There is an FID however.

okay now we are going to get technical. Lets specify. You need an FID (firearms Identification) card to purchase a rifle, shotgun, pepper spray, ammo, etc. ($100 permit)

You need a Class B LTC (License To Carry) permit to posess any approved large capacity rifle or shotgun (here's where your 20rd mag comes in to play) and any approved regular capacity handgun (10 rds or less) from what I hear these can fun to try to get and also are $100 and need to be renewed every 4 years.

A Class A LTC permit allow carrying concealed and allows High capacity handgun magazines (another $100 Permit and damn near impossible to obtain unles you're law enforcment or carry around a lot of $$$)

Moving on

There is no such thing as an NFA permit.

Yes and no, more or less it's a sign off on a BATF Form 4 that will tranfer an NFA item from a Class 3 FFL dealer to you, another one of those lovley thing that almost impossible to get (there are loophole but thay are also a pain in the ...)

little history lesson for ya....
You're probably going what the hell is this NFA stuff? NFA stands for the National Firearms Act, which was passed by Congress in 1934. The NFA provides for the registration and tax of certain types of weapons: machine guns, silencers, short-barreled rifles, sawed-off shotguns, etc. Obviously, the BFG-50 rifle is NOT an NFA weapon, though there are bills in Congress working to change that. Basicaly the NFA was passed to help curb the violence of the "Roaring '20s", brought about mostly because of Prohibition. (oh and there is a nice $200 tax if you do manage to get you paperwork through, not counting the cost of the paperwork)

and that is why you can't have an Mp5.

Hope that clears things up a bit

[Target Practice]

and that is why you can't have an Mp5.

Hope that clears things up a bit

You mean like this one a full-auto supressed honest-to-god MP5?: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...readid=1787494

Or perhaps a supressed Ruger MkII: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...readid=1787415

Or maybe a Bulldog Terminator supressed .45acp: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...readid=1783887

You're right, it's really too bad that we can't get NFA items.

[slateman]

For the original poster, Springfield Armory makes a semi variant. I think it was mentioned previously, so I won't waste your time. Some states limit how many rounds you can keep in a magazine. Check local laws before loading up

[Recon by Fire]

Some states just have some crazy law concerning the ownership or banning of firearms....and those are the ones I will never live in

[tsc]

Moving on



Yes and no, more or less it's a sign off on a BATF Form 4 that will tranfer an NFA item from a Class 3 FFL dealer to you, another one of those lovley thing that almost impossible to get (there are loophole but thay are also a pain in the ...)

Wrong.

The NFA requires a 200$ tax stamp and the sign off of your local LE agency. This is not a permit. It never has been and never will be.

Trust me, I know what NFA items are, Don't try to lord your mostly incorrect "book larnin' " over me.

For the original poster, Springfield Armory makes a semi variant. I think it was mentioned previously, so I won't waste your time. Some states limit how many rounds you can keep in a magazine. Check local laws before loading up

Magazine capacity has already been discussed. Check the thread before posting, quickdraw.

and that is why you can't have an Mp5.

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