who celebrates kwanza?

[grEnAlEins]

I'm still waiting for someone to show me a historical example of where "seperate but equal" was ever a good idea... besides the possible exception of the Parthian Empire (ok, differences were celebrated, but there was no "equality").

His and her's bathrooms is a good idea. You mean like that?

[billybob_81067]

See, now look what you've done. You've gone and made him cry... that's not very nice. It would have gone right over his head otherwise.

Can we bring back the "things you hate" thread? Because I hate a lot of things right now.

Hey! I made that thread!

[tropical_fishy]

Hey! I made that thread!

And I salute you in all your redneck glory.

Lohman, separate but equal is never really a good plan, mainly because normally when things are separate, they aren't equal. If people want to celebrate Kwanzaa, more power to 'em. Just because it doesn't stand for something you like doesn't mean it shouldn't be celebrated by people who happen to enjoy what it stands for.

Although grEnAliEns does have a point about the whole bathroom thing.

[Warwitch]

What I did?!?! You said it not me You sound like my last girlfriend... it isn't you is it

And I believe this was the kwanza thread, but I really don't recall

Passing the buck eh? Damn they are good arent they?

[Lohman446]

And I salute you in all your redneck glory.

Lohman, separate but equal is never really a good plan, mainly because normally when things are separate, they aren't equal. If people want to celebrate Kwanzaa, more power to 'em. Just because it doesn't stand for something you like doesn't mean it shouldn't be celebrated by people who happen to enjoy what it stands for.

Although grEnAliEns does have a point about the whole bathroom thing.

Celebrate whatever you want. But when you start demanding your recently made up holiday is worth as much as mine (I can't put up a public X-mas tree without a Kwanza.. whatever) with traditions in AMERICAN culture there is a problem. When you start seperating and accentuating the differences between people you set yourself up for problems in the future.

[grEnAlEins]

Passing the buck eh? Damn they are good arent they?

You know it brother

(I can't put up a public X-mas tree without a Kwanza.. whatever

Just call it a holiday tree, that's what we do in my neck of the woods
Seriously. We have a holiday tree in front of city hall. I am happy because it is really a Christmas Tree and we all know it. We don't call it that though, we say Holiday Tree/Lights/etc to appease the whiners

[don miguel]

Because jewish is a holiday

Sorry, but that made me laugh...

I mean haunakkan decorations. ///kidding//

[Archangel Kid]

haunakkan

WHAT?!
/sounds like a move in Street Fighter.
//RYUKEN HAUNAKKAN!

[electriceel125]

Stupid people tend to flock together. They also happen to be largely white males. No, that's not fair... white in general. But like I said, I'm friends with mostly Asians, so maybe I'm biased.

Are you saying that white people in general are stupid?

[grEnAlEins]

Are you saying that white people in general are stupid?

Don't open this can of worms again!

Last time she...er, I made pneumagger cry

[Army]

So far, so good kids. You're keeping politics and sectarian comparisons out of it. Good.


But...let's keep the personal attacks to a bare minimum.

[PyRo]

His and her's bathrooms is a good idea. You mean like that?

But don't forget the bunch of women who are whining they want a law requiring all public buildings to have 50% more womens bathrooms then mens bathrooms.

[PyRo]

Just call it a holiday tree, that's what we do in my neck of the woods
Seriously. We have a holiday tree in front of city hall. I am happy because it is really a Christmas Tree and we all know it. We don't call it that though, we say Holiday Tree/Lights/etc to appease the whiners

I put up Christmas lights in a shopping center that includes a Bens Deli. For those of you who may not know Bens Deli is a Kosher Deli. Putting up the lights right in front of the deli is always fun. Most people couldn't care less but we get a few people who will tell us it's disgusting, we need to put up a manora(sp?), etc. We just tell them they're "seasonal decorative lights", they get annoyed and leave. It's a private shopping center though so they could put a cross in front of the place if they wanted too.

[PyRo]

From a thread someone posted on jeepforum.com

http://jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=353193

Anyone know if their is truth in this?

[maxama10]

according to wikipedia, yes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwanzaa

In 1966 Ron Karenga created Kwanzaa while in California[2], as the leader of the black nationalist United Slaves Organization (also known as the "US Organization"), in order to give African Americans an alternative holiday to Christmas. He later stated, "...it was chosen to give a Black alternative to the existing holiday and give Blacks an opportunity to celebrate themselves and history, rather than simply imitate the practice of the dominant society." [3]

In 1967, a year after Karenga proposed this new holiday, he publicly espoused the view that "Jesus was psychotic" and that Christianity was a white religion that blacks should shun.[5] However, as Kwanzaa gained mainstream adherents, Karenga altered his position so as not to alienate practicing Christians, then stating in the 1997 Kwanzaa: A Celebration of Family, Community, and Culture, "Kwanzaa was not created to give people an alternative to their own religion or religious holiday." [6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Karenga

Karenga created United Slaves (or US), a Black Nationalist organization in 1965, and in 1971 was convicted of felony assault of two of the group's female members, for which he spent time in prison. After his release in 1975, he resumed his academic studies, later becoming chairman of the black studies department at California State University, Long Beach, a position he held from 1989 to 2002. [1]

U.S. Organization and the Black Panthers

At the beginning of the 1960s, Karenga met Malcolm X and began to embrace Black nationalism. Following the Watts riots in 1965, he interrupted his doctoral studies at UCLA and joined the Black Power movement. During this time, he awarded himself the title "maulana", Swahili for "master teacher." He formed US, later called the U.S. Organization, an outspoken Black nationalist group that some allege was encouraged by the FBI in order to counter the Black Panthers.
In 1969, the US Organization and the Black Panthers disagreed over who should head the new Afro-American Studies Center at UCLA. According to a Los Angeles Times article, Karenga and his supporters backed one candidate, the Panthers another. The Black Student Union set up a coalition to try to bring peace between the groups, which ended when US members George P. and Larry Joseph Stiner shot dead two members of the Black Panthers, John Jerome Huggins and Alprentice "Bunchy" Carter. The killing was dismissed by UCLA chancellor Charles E. Young as an unrelated incident. [3]

Felony conviction and time in prison

In 1971 Karenga, Louis Smith, and Luz Maria Tamayo were convicted of felony assault and false imprisonment for assaulting and torturing two women from the United Slaves, Deborah Jones & Gail Davis. [4] A May 14, 1971 article in the Los Angeles Times described the testimony of one of the women: "Deborah Jones, who once was given the Swahili title of an African queen, said she and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothes. She testified that a hot soldering iron was placed in Ms. Davis's mouth and placed against Ms. Davis's face and that one of her own big toes was tightened in a vise. Karenga, head of US, also put detergent and running hoses in their mouths, she said." They also were hit on the heads with toasters.[citation needed]
At Karenga's trial, the question arose as to Karenga's sanity. It is theorized that Karenga may have had a mental breakdown due to the stress of dealing with the violence and murders surrounding his United Slaves (US) organization and the Black Panther Party (BPP). His behavior became bizarre. And, at his trial, a psychiatrist's report stated the following: "This man now represents a picture that can be considered both paranoid and schizophrenic with hallucinations and illusions, inappropriate affect, disorganization, and impaired contact with the environment."

To me these values seem good. Then again perhpaps we shouldnt put so much emphasis on race...
It almost seems like a anti-anything but black thing
Who knows... this guy is a crazy s.o.a.b anyways