Snow is Evil and so is weather below 50 degrees

[Raven001]

The fact of the matter is that global warming and cooling are just natural cycles that have been happening since the dawn of time.
The junk science that the "end of the earth global warming wackos" have based their year long "so called" news blitz is just that. Junk science, and very skewed so they get the results they desire. Thats why you have several highly renowned meteorologists out there right now disclaiming the whole "man is the cause of global warming" thing. And the wackos are beside themselves with anger and are trying their best to silence them.
So you go ahead and believe the media, they can be trusted cant they ?
Yeah, just like Al Gore can be trusted. After all its the media thats carrying Al Gores water for him.

It seems clear that noted and reputable experts disagree with you and your conclusion.
You can findsome of their reports here,

http://www.ipcc.ch/

You can also find further info here

http://www.meteor.iastate.edu/gccourse/model/co2/seedsci.html

and here

http://www.environmentaldefense.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011

and because I like to see both sides of the story, you can find what passes for credible information supporting your opinion here

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/green.htm

have fun and do remember, opinions are like you know what, everyone has one.....

[Mikey B]

Lol, 37 is a heat wave

All last week we didn't get any higher then 0, and 0 was a good temp. Now for some reason we are having our usuall nice week in the 30s-40s before plumiting back down to 0. Yay Minnesota!

[Muzikman]

you guys honestly think that burning millions/billions of tons of oil into the atmosphere is going to have no adverse affects? we are human, we are at the top of the food chain, and we've done so by changing our environment. we have an undying desire to improve our quality of life, often disregarding negative side effects.

we dont know the exact weather patterns over the past 5billion years, thats a given. we have recently (VERY RECENTLY) discovered that our atmosphere is made up of many different gasses, and the very precise density of said gasses have made life possible on this planet for millions of years. the planet has formed an ecosystem, feeding off of itself. then humans come along and seperate themselves from the rest of nature, no longer are we one with nature, but we are one feeding on nature. we dont give back to the environment as every other species has done so far, we simply use it in ways that suit our 'needs'. we are the only animal on our planet that exhibits these characteristics (aside from viruses, which very accurately represent us).

we are different, we change things, and all that change has led us here, to the point of burning the blood of the planet into its atmosphere. all that oil got there after billions of years of settling carbon, and all that carbon was probably part of the atmosphere at one point in time(while the earth was a molten hot ball of fire and gas), to suck it all out of the middle of the ground and use it for nothing more than modern luxeries is plain idiotic in the grand scheme of things. we may not be destroying the planet itself, but we are making it less habitable for life to evolve, then again, maybe we are the epidemy of evolution on this planet, maybe we are meant to take over the planet, use all its recources in an attempt to further our knowledge of the universe around us, and move on to another habitable planet.

After that rambling of the fingers I bet you still drive a car to the mall, have electricity powering your big screen TV, a fridge keeping your beer cold, whole house A/C to keep you cool, indoor plumbing, a tank that uses natrual gas to heat that water so you can take a warm shower and a grill out back burning propane to cook your choice of meats.

[Gunther_mag_user]

Yeah, I still win.

...And yesterday there was 4' at the end of my driveway.

I have been rocking shorts every day this year, and it has been a cold winter.












I R TEH PWNZEWRZ!

[acecl22]

After that rambling of the fingers I bet you still drive a car to the mall, have electricity powering your big screen TV, a fridge keeping your beer cold, whole house A/C to keep you cool, indoor plumbing, a tank that uses natrual gas to heat that water so you can take a warm shower and a grill out back burning propane to cook your choice of meats.

Haha, absolutely, without a doubt. Why wouldn't I enjoy the luxuries that our forefathers have worked so hard to create? I realize that our collective actions have consequences, and there is really no way to tell what those consequences will be. We can, however, make rational assumptions about our actions. We can assume that if oil consumption continues, either the oil will run out, or the atmosphere will become toxic. Scientists are making the steps necessary to convert to alternate forms of power though, so I think that we don't have to worry about the end of the world just yet (aside from nuclear warfare).

[going_home]

Here you go son

Which ones going_home? Id like to know who they are.

As if you really wanted to know...but here is just one group.
You want more, just let me know.
Although you know how to google just as good as I do,
if you really wanted what you were asking for. Which I doubt seriously.

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Scientists Group to Refute Global Warming Claims
Monday, 1 May 2006, 10:08 am
Press Release: Centre for Resource Management Studies
Media Release - Immediate

A group of leading New Zealand climate scientists has announced today the formation of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition, aimed at refuting what it believes are unfounded claims about anthropogenic (man-made)global warming.

The coalition includes such well-known climate scientists as:

- Dr Vincent Gray, of Wellington, an expert reviewer for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), most recently a visiting scholar at the Beijing Climate Centre in China.

- Dr Gerrit J. van der Lingen, of Christchurch, geologist/paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, former director GRAINZ (Geoscience Research and Investigations New Zealand).

- Prof. August H. ("Augie") Auer, of Auckland, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand.

- Professor Bob Carter, a New Zealander, now at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Queensland, Australia.

- Warwick Hughes, a New Zealand earth scientist living in Perth, who conducts a comprehensive website: www.warwickhughes.com

- Roger Dewhurst, of Katikati, consulting environmental geologist and hydrogeologist

Also involved are other New Zealanders concerned that only one side of the climate change debate is being brought to public attention.

Mr Owen McShane, of Kaiwaka, director of the Centre for Resource Management Studies, who is convenor of the establishment committee, said that the coalition's three main roles will be:

- To publish and distribute papers and commentaries produced by members of the Coalition.

- To audit statements by other organizations, both in New Zealand and overseas, which are published in New Zealand, or are expected to influence New Zealand public policy and public opinion.

- To audit the forthcoming IPCC report, either on its own, or through the Asia Pacific Climate Science Coalition, or equivalent organization, if one has been established in time.

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More Hot Air on Global Warming

Geoff Metcalf
Monday, Jan. 22, 2007

ABC TV meteorologist James Spann has sparked a cyber-excrement storm for having the unpardonable gall to be honest.

Actually, he didn't start it.

The escalation of angst was frankly started when a Weather Channel twit suggested that anyone not conforming to the gospel according to Al Gore should be decertified and silenced.

Voltaire once said, "I may not agree with what you say, but to your death I will defend your right to say it." Apparently the Weather Channel's Heidi Cullen believes "If you don't agree with me, you should be silenced, censured, and ostracized."

The central point to all this brouhaha is the debate over global warming. And there in is the essence of the problem.

It remains a debate.

Notwithstanding the grandstanding of Nancy Pelosi and Arnold Schwarzenegger to pander to the eco-wacko lobby, global warming remains a question.

[RogueFactor]

Thats why you have several highly renowned meteorologists out there right now disclaiming the whole "man is the cause of global warming" thing.And the wackos are beside themselves with anger and are trying their best to silence them.

As if you really wanted to know...but here is just one group.
You want more, just let me know.
Although you know how to google just as good as I do,
if you really wanted what you were asking for. Which I doubt seriously.

Which of those you listed are considered the "highly renowned"? And is that really the best you got?

Here, so we are at least on the same page: The IPCC 4th Assessment Report(Climate Change 2007) recently released this month was compiled from:

* 2500+ scientific expert reviewers
* 850+ Contributing authors
* 450+ lead authors
from over 130 countries, contributing for the last 6 years.

So, if you seriously want to refute their data, your gonna have to do better than a quick google search of 6-7 intellects from New Zealand & 1 TV weather man who disagree. Seriously.

I want more. And let me know what your definition of "highly renowned" is. Hopefully it doesnt mean "those who agree with your opinion". :rofl:

And so you are aware of this reports claims, here they are:

[trevorjk]

guys it was 40 degrees and sunny yesterday (thursday) so i promptly took the motorcycle out of the shed, changed the oil, charged the battary and went for a nice ride. it was beautiful! cabin fever is gone, but damn i want to go again now and its suppose to rain and snow and stuffs this weekend

[going_home]

Hilarious

Global atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide have increased markedly as a result of human activities since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial values over the last 650,000 years.

Now its my turn :rofl:

now far exceed pre-industrial values over the last 650,000 years ?

They have the data from the last 650,000 years ? :rofl:
What you posted is hilarious.
Now why dont you post the name of the renowned scientists that were there
and gathered the data from 650,000 years ago. :rofl:
Like I said before, their stuff is junk science.
Based on guesses. Cant be proven at all.
It is just to be believed. Well I dont have that much faith brother.

[Raven001]

Of course it's hilarious. Everyone knows the earth is only 6000 years old.

No wonder the US is in decline

[MANN]

Of course it's hilarious. Everyone knows the earth is only 6000 years old.

No wonder the US is in decline

I thought it was only 2007.2037735849 years old

[RogueFactor]

Now its my turn :rofl:

Now why dont you post the name of the renowned scientists that were there
and gathered the data from 650,000 years ago. :rofl:

Here is your "conservative" logic fellas He cant list his renowned scientists, but would rather claim nothing can be proven because scientists werent there!

They study the ice. The ice that was there, and has been there. They are called Ice Cores. Youd know that if you did something more than a quick Google Search.

Here ya go, "son"... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_core

And I'll even quote it for ya, "son":

"An ice core from the right site can be used to reconstruct an uninterrupted and detailed climate record extending over hundreds of thousands of years, providing information on a wide variety of aspects of climate at each point in time. It is the simultaneity of these properties recorded in the ice that makes ice cores such a powerful tool in paleoclimate research."

Like I said before, their stuff is junk science.
Based on guesses.

Nah, whats worse is someone who claims to be a conservative, but doesnt do their research to back up their position. A lazy conservative, that has an opinion, and jumps to a conclusion because its what they want to hear.

The same kind that said cigarettes dont cause cancer 20 years ago. :rofl:

Cant be proven at all. It is just to be believed. Well I dont have that much faith brother.

Just because your an agnostic, doesnt mean its junk science.

[RogueFactor]

going_home:

For your reading and educational pleasure...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoclimatology

Just cuz I know you wont actually read it...

The core went back 720,000 years and revealed 8 previous glacial cycles."

[going_home]

going_home:

For your reading and educational pleasure...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoclimatology

Just cuz I know you wont actually read it...

The core went back 720,000 years and revealed 8 previous glacial cycles."

I gave you a whole list of degreed doctors.
I knew you didnt want the names of scientists and doctors that have disproved your belief.
Oh and I'm not an agnostic.
I know there is a God. His Word says that men have been here for just over 6000 years.
Its the scientists that seek a way around Him.
They dont want Him and seek to prove He is not, like saying the world is 650,000 years old.
They have failed miserably. As you have.
Good luck in your faith.

[acecl22]

I gave you a whole list of degreed doctors.
I knew you didnt want the names of scientists and doctors that have disproved your belief.
Oh and I'm not an agnostic.
I know there is a God. His Word says that men have been here for just over 6000 years.
Its the scientists that seek a way around Him.
They dont want Him and seek to prove He is not, like saying the world is 650,000 years old.
They have failed miserably. As you have.
Good luck in your faith.

faith is only what you make it, scientists arent trying to disprove the existence of God. they have worked in order to gain a better understanding of the things and forces at play around us. through this process of scientific experimentation, there have been tremendous devolopments in not only technology, but our understanding of the universe. All of the data collected so far does not reason out the existence of a God, but it presents some interesting evidence that the description of the formation of earth is not as it is described in any holy book. instead of simply believing that everything said in a book is the devine and holy word of an intangible creature, we should do our best to either confirm or disprove His existence. maybe our idea of god is completely wrong, just like any idea. The idea that the earth was the center of the universe was widely accepted for thousands of years, it made sence because we thought we were special, we thought we were different than all of those other starts and objects floating around space. We have learned that we are no different from them, and even in our own solar system, one of the moons on saturn has a similar atmosphere and chemical makeup as the earth did about 3-4 billion years ago. when that planet develops to the point of being able to sustain life, do you think that god is going to magically pop another inteligent lifeform there, no. we are probably going to be the ones that plant the seed of life when the time comes to move off of our planet and into the universe. The fact that, even in our own solar system, there are planets and moons which have all of the ingredients for life to form can not be ignored. Somewhere else in the universe, life has formed, i have no doubt about that. Intelligent life? maybe, maybe not, but most likely. How would the holy books explain the existence of other life in the universe? Only a few years ago the church officially admitted that the earth does revolve around the sun, how in the world would the Son of God not know the workings of the universe, he wouldve known everything, and he can't lie, so he wouldve told people that the sun is the center of the solar system, and there are other planets revolving around it, he wouldve had the kind of answers that would make him a credible character, because thats all he is, a character in a science fiction book